How about because the OP told Oracle to scan the index via the INDEX hint >> The INDEX hint instructs the optimizer to use an index scan for the specified table << From Oracle(r) Database SQL Reference 10g Release 2 (10.2) Part Number B14200-01 entry for INDEX Hint. -- Mark D Powell -- Phone (313) 592-5148 -----Original Message----- From: Baumgartel, Paul [mailto:paul.baumgartel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:27 PM To: Powell, Mark D; oracle-l Subject: RE: Same index, different plan All true, but the question is why a hint that says "use this index" produces a different type of scan than a query without the hint that uses the index anyway. Paul Baumgartel CREDIT SUISSE Information Technology Prime Services Databases Americas One Madison Avenue New York, NY 10010 USA Phone 212.538.1143 paul.baumgartel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.credit-suisse.com -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Powell, Mark D Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:01 PM To: oracle-l Subject: RE: Same index, different plan There is an index hint for Fast Full Scan as well as one to stop the CBO from using a FFS: index_ffs no_index_ffs Also on a non-unique index isn't the normal access always a range scan, potentially bounded or unbounded, but still a range scan. -- Mark D Powell -- Phone (313) 592-5148 -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hemant K Chitale Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:23 PM To: paul.baumgartel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l Subject: Re: Same index, different plan Possibly the last time statistics were gathered, the "high value" for the column (HIGH_VALUE in USER_TAB_COLUMNS) was lesser than today's SYSDATE so Oracle thought a Fast Full Scan would suffice. However, when you Hint to Oracle to use the Index, Oracle now believes that it has to do a Range Scan ? Hemant K Chitale http://hemantoracledba.blogspot.com "There is more to life than increasing its speed." Mohandas Gandhi Quotes : http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mohandas_gandhi.html At 10:27 PM Friday, Baumgartel, Paul wrote: >A colleague is asking for help with a 10.2.0.3 (Sun Solaris 8) >optimizer issue. A unhinted query > >SELECT max(history_timestamp) AS MaxStamp FROM >dmsdb.t_dms_deal_security_xref_h WHERE history_timestamp<sysdate+1 AND >eod_snapshot='N'; > >yields the plan > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------- > >| Id | Operation | Name | >Rows | Bytes | Cost (%CPU)| >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------- > >| 0 | SELECT >STATEMENT | | 1 | 13 | 86560 (18)| >| 1 | SORT >AGGREGATE | | 1 | 13 >| | >| 2 | INDEX FAST FULL SCAN| T_DMS_DEAL_SECURITY_XREF_H_AK1 >| 94M| 1168M| 86560 (18)| >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------- > > >and runs in about 5 minutes. > >However, the same query, with a hint specifying the index that's being >used for the non-hinted version, yields > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------ > >| Id | Operation | Name | Rows | >Bytes | Cost (%CPU)| >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------ > >| 0 | SELECT STATEMENT | | 1 >| 13 | 330K (1)| >| 1 | SORT AGGREGATE | | 1 >| 13 | | >| 2 | INDEX RANGE SCAN| T_DMS_DEAL_SECURITY_XREF_H_AK1 >| 94M| 1168M| 330K (1)| >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------ > > >and runs in about 3 minutes. Note that the access path has changed >from fast full scan to range scan, and note the higher cost of the ran > >Why would hinting to use an index that's being used anyway change the >access path from fast full scan to range scan? > > >Paul Baumgartel >CREDIT SUISSE >Information Technology >Prime Services Databases Americas >One Madison Avenue >New York, NY 10010 >USA >Phone 212.538.1143 >paul.baumgartel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ><file://www.credit-suisse.com>www.credit-suisse.com -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l ======================================================================== ====== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html ======================================================================== ====== -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l