Would be curious to know why you ruled out J.D. Edwards in your selection process. What did SAP provide that JDE did not? We have some very successful JDE implementations and most run with 1 app server, 1 db server and 1 test server, are easy to manage and only require a few business application folks. The SAP horror stories I have heard always sound like they take 3-5 times this amount of resources. -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nuno Souto Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 3:53 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: SAP/Oracle ----- Original Message -----=20 From: <Kip.Bryant@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Some other respondents mention outsourcing/offshoring...these forces are=20 > at > work regardless of whether SAP is involved. I just had a call from an > outfit > (U.S. based) that said they could manage our systems and DR solution and=20 > reduce > our costs by 20% (little realizing what this probably meant for me and the > people I work with...). 20%? Look, I can save you 100%: just don't use SAP. Cheers Nuno Souto nsouto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l