Re: Remote DBA
- From: Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: troach@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:00:26 -0500
My apologies. Someday maybe I will meet some of the people on this list in
a non-virtual world...
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, <troach@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think Kellyn is the mommy not the daddy.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> *From: * Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Sender: * oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Date: *Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:42:29 -0500
> *To: *Kellyn Pedersen<kjped1313@xxxxxxxxx>
> *ReplyTo: * andrew.kerber@xxxxxxxxx
> *Cc: *<Richard.Goulet@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <cicciuxdba@xxxxxxxxx>;
> oracle-l-freelists<oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject: *Re: Remote DBA
>
> And how well would you have done working from home when the children were
> 2, 5, and 8? 'Daddy he hit me...'.
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Kellyn Pedersen <kjped1313@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> "If the remote has young kids at home, it is likely to be very difficult
>> for him or her to be able to work effectively unless there is another adult
>> there to keep an eye on the children."
>>
>> This subject always peeks my interest, as I work from home approximately
>> 20 hrs. per week. I'm a combination of both the ticket closer and the lone
>> ranger type, appreciating small tasks to finish quick and challenging
>> mysteries to solve, so this discussion gave great discription of why I have
>> never had an issue working from home.
>>
>> I would have to say that Andrew's comment is a necessity if the children
>> are young and if teens are home due to after school/out of school
>> situations, the remote DBA must guarantee that they have an office separate
>> from the family area to work in.
>>
>> My three children, (ages 10, 13 and 15) have the library where their
>> computer workstations and media area is set up and I avoid the location like
>> the plague if I'm working. I have my office on a separate floor and as
>> lucky as I am to have incredibly independent children, their inane banter is
>> still very distracting, (has never been scientifically proven, but may
>> disolve braincells, too, which I can't afford... :))
>>
>> As for a positive vote on remote DBA work to the company- I can honestly
>> say that my manager gets a good 3 or 4 more hours out of me a day than he
>> would if I were in the office. One, I don't have the commute to and from
>> the office, which I apply towards working. Two, I have a tendency to lose
>> track of time and continue to work past 7 or 8pm until one of the kids comes
>> and tracks me down to tell me I better cook dinner or they are ordering
>> pizza with one of my credit cards.
>> Kellyn Pedersen
>> Sr. Database Administrator
>> I-Behavior Inc.
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kellynpedersen
>> www.dbakevlar.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 9/27/10, Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Remote DBA
>> To: Richard.Goulet@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: cicciuxdba@xxxxxxxxx, "oracle-l-freelists" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 9:20 AM
>>
>>
>> I have worked very well remotely. I have worked with people who should
>> not work remotely.
>>
>> Unfortunately, here in the US, some of the questions that need to be asked
>> about someone working from home cannot legally be asked. For example, if
>> someone is working from home, you really need to know who else is in the
>> house. If the remote has young kids at home, it is likely to be very
>> difficult for him or her to be able to work effectively unless there is
>> another adult there to keep an eye on the children.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Goulet, Richard <
>> Richard.Goulet@xxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Richard.Goulet@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Well, I will agree with others on the list that working from home
>> takes a person with very good time management skills and discipline. I've
>> done the work from home thing and still do when Mother Nature makes a real
>> mess up here in the winter and it's hard to concentrate on work when home
>> projects beckon or the cat decides she wants to sleep on your lap. I do it,
>> but their not exactly my most productive days. If your going to hire people
>> who will be remotely located like this it's best to have someone manage them
>> who is familiar with the concept and how to manage it. I've worked for a
>> manager who didn't know how to do that, mandated that I work from home at
>> least 2 days a week, and made me miserable in the process never mind the
>> customer that I was actually working for.
>>
>> As to hiring someone you've never personally met, sure. We've two in
>> Hyderabad right now, one of which no one here has ever met in person. Damn
>> good technician too. And yes we did verify references and work experience.
>> If you don't want to do that then why are you bothering with an interview??
>> Once saw a resume for an individual who claimed to have played 2 seasons
>> with the Boston Celtics. Problem was that he was about 4 foot 6 inches.
>> Didn't exactly pass the smoke test, now does it.
>>
>> As for hiring or contracting with a service provider your basically
>> hiring a consultant who does DBA services. The more important point here is
>> what does the statement of work say and how do the service providers
>> references stack up. Good people sometimes work for poor providers which
>> can make for a bad experience and a poorly written SOW is not the provider's
>> problem.
>>
>> Dick Goulet
>> Senior Oracle DBA/NA Team Lead
>> PAREXEL International
>>
>>
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>> *To:* oracle-l-freelists
>> *Subject:* Remote DBA
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I've been reading a lot about remote DBA services, these appear to be
>> companies based on different locations that provide customers with DBA
>> services while having all the DBAs physically in one location (or a limited
>> number of locations). These services are usually hired by companies whose
>> primary focus isn't IT.
>>
>> My question now is...would this work in reverse? Having several DBAs
>> working out of their own homes in whatever city or country they want for a
>> single company (or for one of the remote DBA services)? I understand the
>> complexities of having people without Green Cards or working VISAS working
>> for US based companies, even if they are now physically in the US.
>>
>> This one may be for recruiters or decision makers: Would you hire
>> somebody you've never met (or met only by phone) who lives in another
>> country (worst case) and whose experience you can't verify if they asked for
>> half of what an on-site DBA would?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Alan.-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew W. Kerber
>>
>> 'If at first you dont succeed, dont take up skydiving.'
>>
>>
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> Andrew W. Kerber
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