Re: Re[5]: Linux at a reasonable price
- From: Paul Drake <discgolfdba@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:38:54 -0800 (PST)
Michael,
It just so happens that I have a copy right here.
it was not SLES 8.0, as they handed out a copy of that
at the Oracle Installfest as LinuxWorldExpo.
The "Novell Nterprise Linux Services Evaluation Kit"
includes SuSE Linux Standard Server 8.0 on 4 CDs.
If you make a mistake and put in CD #2, it installs as
United Linux 1.0.
I've left my NFR copy of SLES 8 still unbroken.
Not enough room on the laptop, but there's room for it
at home.
I think that this list is _exactly_ the group that Red
Hat wants to acquire developer licenses, for their
clients and production users to eventually deploy on.
If they don't get the mindshare of the DBAs, the
terrorists win.
Pd
--- Michael Thomas <mhthomas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yep. Totally agree.
>
> SuSE worked really hard on Oracle, and they still
> get
> my respect. Michael H was invaluable to my work.
>
> And, SuSE has brought some great features into
> LINUX.
> They should have the first enterprise LINUX version
> based on the 2.6 kernel this year. Maybe that is a
> consolation if someone already has SuSE enterprise.
> I
> have not given up on SuSE, but I'm being _extra_
> cautious because of the Novell acquisition.
>
> In the meantime, thanks to your tip, I think RH has
> a
> 'reasonable' entry price point that matches my
> development needs. The competition must be strong
> enough that RH is willing to cooperate with pricing
> models like the Developer Subscription. I am
> surprised
> because I had recent discussions with RH sales about
> my situation, and the Developer Subscription was not
> suggested. But, today, the RH salesman was very
> informed about it.
>
> -----
> Just for fun (I still get Novell emails), does
> anyone
> know what version of SuSE LINUX is included in the
> Novell Developer Program or Solutions Pack?
>
>
http://www.cvent.com/EventManagement/Summary/Summary.asp?eCode=idnlibciltyiibtlirbilbdiibblir
>
> ? NOVELL SOLUTIONS Evaluation KITS - all NEW!
> (evaluation kits contain multiple CDs, evaluation
> software,
> practical applications, partner information,
> demonstration
> images & other related resources)
> Kits will include:
> ? Novell NetWare 6.5 (3 concurrent connection
> licenses (NO TIMEOUT) - plus an unlimited user
> license
> with a 90-day timeout)
> ? Novell Nterprise Linux Services (NNLS)
> ? SuSE Linux
> ? Novell Branch Office
> ? Novell GroupWise 6.5
> ? Novell Resource Management (ZEN, RedCarpet)
>
> ? NOVELL SOLUTIONS Evaluation CDs/DVDs
> ? Ximian Desktop (XD2)
> ? Novell exteNd Evaluation DVD
> ? Novell Nsure DVD
>
> ? Novell exteNd, Nterprise, Nsure and Ngage
> Resources
> ? Selected Novell Evaluation Software on DVD
> ? Current Novell Minimum Patch List on DVD
> ? Five empty 4-CD sleeves for your use
> ? MORE TO COME IN THE FALL 2004 (at no additional
> charge!)
> -----
>
> Again, thanks pd.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> --- Paul Drake <discgolfdba@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > SuSE got it long ago, back before 8.1.7 was
> released
> > for (any) Linux.
> >
> > They still had it, even when Red Hat and Oracle
> had
> > a
> > spat (at least in the marketing area).
> >
> > SuSE knew what they were doing then (8.1.6), those
> > people are largely still on staff (check the
> > archived
> > of the ORACLE-LINUX-L mailing list that used to be
> > on
> > Fatcity).
> >
> > IBM had strong ties to SuSE, particularly in the
> > days
> > when some in the community feared that Red Hat was
> > becoming too dominant.
> >
> > Most of SuSE's talent is in Nurenberg, but they
> had
> > an
> > office in Redwood Shores. Provided that Novell
> > leaves
> > SuSE alone, SuSE should continue to be a premier
> > linux
> > distro.
> >
> > If you plan to deploy any servers in Europe, I'd
> > choose SuSE. Here in the US, the marketing ties
> are
> > just too strong for the choice of supported distro
> > to
> > be Red Hat. I guess its time for me to let go of
> the
> > RH 7.0/gcc/cvs/wtf? release.
> >
> > Pd
> >
> >
> > --- Michael Thomas <mhthomas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Thanks pd for the info. I just checked...
> > >
> > > 1) go to this link:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.redhat.com/solutions/industries/developer/
> > > under "Standard Developer Subscription"
> > > click on "Subscribe Now"
> > > and pay $299 USD (hey, where's my commission ;-)
> > >
> > > 2) Notice you get access to any of the three
> > > enterprise versions (WS, AS, ES) for download
> from
> > > RHN, and you can use either 2.1 or 3.0. You get
> > full
> > > RHN to get updates, etc.. But, you can not use
> any
> > > of
> > > these s/w for a production server. The limit is
> > you
> > > can only register five servers, e.g. "Five
> 1-year
> > > entitlements to any Red Hat software product".
> > >
> > > 3) The full scoop is:
> > > Standard Developer Subscription
> > >
> > > * Five 1-year entitlements to any Red Hat
> > > software
> > > product
> > > * Easy ISOs: OS, Source, and Documentation
> ISO
> > > Images
> > > * Red Hat Network Update Module Service
> 1-year
> > > * Quarterly OS Updates
> > > * Beta Program Participation (coming soon)
> > > * Access to all white papers and case
> studies
> > > (coming soon)
> > > * Available via download only
> > >
> > > 4) <RANT> My opinion is that RH is the way to go
> > on
> > > LINUX today. After Novell bought SUSE, I think
> for
> > > legal reasons, I expect SUSE to slip behind RH
> on
> > > features for the next few months. Now that's
> sure
> > to
> > > offend someone, sorry. No worries, because I'm
> > told
> > > that I'm wrong about this, but to me Novell has
> > been
> > > dead for me (ex CNE and C/C++ NLM developer) for
> a
> > > couple years. I attended all the Novell
> > conferences
> > > where the competent developers kept leaving and
> > the
> > > guys pushing the slides last year were doing the
> > > presentations next year. The problem being they
> > had
> > > no
> > > idea about technical stuff. So, I expect the
> > > Novell-SUSE relationship may slow down SUSE
> > progress
> > > on LINUX, even though SUSE remains in europe.
> > > </RANT>
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mike Thomas
> > >
> > > (PS: Jonathan, this has got to be a pain after
> you
> > > already paid for SUSE. I didn't know either.
> Ugh.)
> > >
> > > --- Paul Drake <discgolfdba@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- Jonathan Gennick <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
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