they guarantee it, but its not really accurate for full table scans. if you: 1. create a table without indexes 2. insert some records 3. do not delete any records Then the ordering should stay the same. I was on a project once where we had security IDs for various items. These ideas were not logical so you couldn't order on anything. The lead did not want to use a counter, so they just relied on selecting the following: select id from id_table where rownum < 5 etc... worked ok for what they were doing. Though it was a pretty stupid idea. > > From: david wendelken <davewendelken@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 2004/04/16 Fri AM 08:44:04 EDT > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: order of rows when selecting from table of > > Subject: Re: order of rows when selecting from table of > > >Oracle being a wonderful and concerned corporation will only guarantee > >that you will get the data out of the table when the select and other > >clauses are correct. > > When I took my first Oracle SQL class back in the 80's, Oracle guaranteed > that the order of the returned data (without an order by clause) was > "indeterminate", meaning that they guaranteed that you could not count on any > order from query to query. > > So, use the order by clause if you want a specific order! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. > -- > Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ > FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------