Regarding Licensing and the old saying about 10 foot poles, I’ll go Spinal Tap
on that and say I wouldn’t touch Oracle Licensing with an 11 foot pole.
Decades ago someone established that the Oracle License terms at that time
covered loading up and testing whether or not an Oracle backup could be
recovered and started on a standby server.
That included doing test counts and comparative reports to be certain all the
data was there.
I do not have an 11 foot pole nor an understanding whether that license and
testing for fitness for purpose ( a multi-user data store that could be backed
up to a remote location and periodically be sent incremental revisions
proportional in size to the update volume to the remote location so that an up
to date copy of the database could be available for recovery in case of the
unavailability of the primary location) still holds legal water.
That pre-dated the observation circa 1995 that shutdown, copy, startup rename,
recover through last available log and then start original database and resume
recovery, could make available a “frozen” renamed version of the database (for
testing data consistency if nothing else) while the continuous recovery resumed
without re-instantiating the recovery database.
This observation literally led to a shout of “but you can’t resume recovery if
you started it!” from the audience at what was then Open World by a not quite
careful listener, while I was giving a talk about it. (I was among several
practitioners of Oracle tech who independently discovered this rename on
startup mount trick after copying the original database files, etc. locally, I
make no claim to be first. It worked correctly at a large retail organization
with offices in Lebanon, NH and Burlington, NJ from about 6.0.37. )
After my talk a project to productize and automate Standby Recovery was
initiated and that eventually became DataGuard. Somewhere along the line
license costs on any infrastructure used to test recoverability began to be
promulgated. I’ve lost track of the exact order of that history.
I don’t know whether a search of your license will reveal a right to test
whether or not a backup is truly recoverable and consistent with what it was
supposed to be a backup of is still in there.
Good luck.
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The licensing question for Dataguard vs. standby data was always “is PMON
running?” If you are replicating Power binaries to x86, the software is not
running (nor is it installed). I don’t see how you can be viewed as anything
except having backups of both binaries and data until you hook the disk up to
the correct machine architecture (and In my opinion, launch the binaries as
well).
It could be terminology, Oracle hears standby as Dataguard which means pmon is
running and must be licensed. If that does not describe environment, call it a
live backup when talking to Oracle..
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Michael Brown
On Nov 14, 2018, at 11:07 AM, niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
I was following up on Dave's
Even though, as long as it wasn't open, a standby never had to be licensed
before 2014?
I hadn't realized it was a thread on storage replication to be honest because
of the subject line change. In any case, unless hot standby means replicated
data and not a second set of database processes I don't see how the installed
and running clause won't get you.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:34 AM l.flatz@xxxxxxxxxx <l.flatz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In this case the replication is on the storage tier. That is a lot different
from Data Guard. Data Guard requires an instance running on the disaster site.
Storage replacation does not require that. It is not even necessary that Oracle
Software is installed on the disaster site at all.
If it is installed, it might no be running. All of that can make a difference.
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Betreff : Re: Re Oracle Licensing
A standby database ( and dev databases) has always* been licensable, and in the
same way as the primary. The only exceptions will be if you specifically
inserted a clause otherwise in your contract with Oracle, or if you are using
named user licensing. That is unlikely to say the least. As an example, I offer
the EMEA OLSA from June 2000
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/olsa-ire-v122304-070683.pdf note the ;
definition of processor.
I suspect this comes from the wording of the docs when Active Data Guard
arrived
"*Oracle Data Guard 11g*
. Is included with Oracle Database Enterprise Edition - it does not require a
separate license . It Includes all Data Guard capabilities from previous
releases and many
other new features that enhance data protection, high availability, disaster
recovery, and utilization of standby databases and systems"
The point of which was to distinguish between DataGuard being an EE feature and
Active Data Guard being chargeable and not to indicate that DR was free.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 8:31 PM Iggy Fernandez <iggy_fernandez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
The "policies" are explicitly non-contractual and may be revoked or changed by
Oracle at any time. However, there is probably a good legal argument that you
relied on them for guidance.
The Northern California Oracle Users Group is a volunteer-run 501(c)(3)
organization that has been serving the Oracle Database community of Northern
California for more than thirty years by organizing four conferences a year and
publishing a quarterly journal. Download the complete digital archive of the
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This has the relevant answers you're looking for:
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