Re: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats, to the point
- From: <ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx>
- To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:28:50 -0500
thought I know how people feel when they get that error...
just about an hour ago
1. I get an email stating that an object doesn't exist. It's because the
developers are looking in the wrong database.
2. So I lock all the accounts in the database and bounce it. I send out an
email stating that all the accounts in this database are locked and which
databases they should be using.
3. I then get a screen shot with the following error:
ORA-28000: the account is locked
Dont you just love build day?
>
> From: "Juan Cachito Reyes Pacheco" <jreyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2004/03/22 Mon PM 01:18:22 EST
> To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats, to the point
>
> Ryan how you organize your job, what we do Very very simple.
>
> what we had done is develop a software that create a task orders,
> the advantage of them is when you say something, you know in some moment
> this is
> going to be done.
> The second is a time management, every time you start to do a job, you
> select from a lov your current job, this allow to measure the time you
> invest in every task.
> There are generic tasks, like phone calls, meetings, etc.
> And the person who gives the task must do a brief quality control after.
>
> weekly there are reports so you can see what a specific person did, an
> analyze why he took too much time doing something,or you can get knowledge
> about a problem you didn't knew.
>
> Aditionally we created a software to create releases by object, this is if
> you create a database object, you enter in the database, so to update
> production database you generate the releases you did.
>
> Obviously there are dozens of details, but this is the general idea, this is
> very intesresting, because which is the other chance you have.
> to Say to you partner why you take too much time?
> Then he says, because there were other problems,
> In that way you can't control, not only the work, else the problems there
> are too, and the exactly time there are investing in them.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx>
> To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats
>
>
> > It's not a 'developer' problem. It's a team and management problem. It's
> also a lack of technical skill amongst Developer's and/or DBA problem.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: Mladen Gogala <mladen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: 2004/03/22 Mon PM 12:31:53 EST
> > > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> > >
> > > Yes, that's true. One thing to remember when talking about developers is
> > > that work liberates, or in German: "Arbeit Macht Frei". Good
> organization
> > > is the final solution of the developer problem. Of course, I'm a DBA,
> > > in case anyone had any doubts.
> > >
> > > On 03/22/2004 12:15:33 PM, Juan Cachito Reyes Pacheco wrote:
> > > > This is true ryan,
> > > > But comments like "Controlling developers is like herding cats"
> > > > Seems that someone have problems organizing the work,
> > > > Independently of who is responsible of that, they must be solved.
> > > >
> > > > The point is if some one wants to talk about their problems as dba,
> > > > working with other people and how to solve them.
> > > > I have some experience and this could be interesting, sahre ideas
> found to
> > > > solve them.
> > > > Now if no body have problems with that then there is no reason for
> this
> > > > post.
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:11 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > your question is vague. what do you mean by organizing developers.
> its not
> > > > the DBAs responsibility to do that. It's their management's
> responsibility.
> > > > >
> > > > > what do you mean?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "Juan Cachito Reyes Pacheco" <jreyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Date: 2004/03/22 Mon AM 10:32:06 EST
> > > > > > To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Subject: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know if some dba, want to talk about the way to solve
> > > > > > organizing a group of developer (including times, work to be done,
> > > > > > quality control, etc.)
> > > > > > We have some experience, and had developed a software for internal
> use,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe someone want to talk about this, I think this is a critical
> work
> > > > > > for the dba.
> > > > > >
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