RE: RTFM replies

  • From: <Marco.Gralike@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <madan.sanjay@xxxxxxxxx>, <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:40:51 +0200

Sorry, sanjay. I totally agree with Mladen.


I'm almost on my 10th year nowadays as well, but I never went in for a
quick win. Before I ask, I read the manuals, I search google, I ask
local colleague's etc, etc. I really hate the mentality to just ask
without putting some effort into it (before hand). I had to learn the
hard way, when I started there was no google, but there were only hard
copies. So I read them or bought the books. Nowadays there are lot of
websites to ask the newbie questions, I reply or ask to them there (for
instance on OTN forums). I think the "quick win" questions should not be
allowed on this mailing list and/or completely ignored. 


But then again, I am not the moderator of this mailing list, and because
he allows people to post questions, he probably thinks otherwise. The
other day, I was lucky to attend a 3 day seminar of Steve Adams (btw
that was maybe why Mr. Mogens Norgaard sometimes not replies, because he
was there) and I advised a Russian DBA to enlist on this mailing list,
because it was worth while. I got the same information from Mr.
Carel-Jan Engel. I now am reconsidering if it was good advise, if you
see the discussions that are going around.


The other way around, a time ago I really needed some old Oracle 6
software. This was a serious question. Because it was thought as a
newbie question, I immediately got some stupid replies. Not that I liked
it but I can imagine now why people respond this way. Luckily enough
Carel-Jan Engel was gracious enough to help me out and I was able to
demonstrate a VM environment with Oracle 4 on MSDOS 6.22. BTW my efforts
will be posted, so if you're interested you can download the VM if you
can find the website ;-)


Therefore I can understand Mladens reactions. The minimum I expect from
a college, even if he has just started, is that he makes an effort to
research / educate him self, before he goes for the quick win. When I
see that this is the case, then also I am willing to go the extra mile.
If not (as I see now on this mailing list happening), I ignore the










From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sanjay Madan
Sent: vrijdag 21 oktober 2005 10:46
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: RTFM replies



You are probably very right. Indeed most of the questions that land up
in ur mailbox from this list may well be trivial. However, please
consider that

a) 10 years of experience is a long time. Lot of what now seems to be
very trivial and obvious to you may not be as obvious to many of the
others. Agreed time isnt everything and one does need to upgrade oneself
to answer and analyze like Mladen, but I'd still say, lets give everyone
a chance. 

b) Utilities like the internet and Metalink which are available (by
default !?) in some countries, are not so easily available in many

c) Manuals. Yes u are very correct. Most of what is asked is all in
there. But then, isnt it normal human tendency to go to the easier
option ?  Its not the best thing to do but an online FAQ is always more
"handy"  !!  ( hang on.. dont start firing just yet..!!)

d) Cary and Jonathan do put in their bits when its required, dont they

e) I'd personally hate to loose out on the stuff you and many others
contribute to the list. Agreed, from your perspective it may not be the
same, but I'm sure even you do learn something or the other fom the list
once in a while !?  Maybe you can so something like what JL has done ?
have a filter which picks up those mails that have your name mentioned
in them ?..(dunno where i got that from !!)  or maybe just delete mails
by their Subject and just respond to the 1% you find interesting  ?
....whatever .... What i'd like to say is that trivial questions
probably will keep comming in and that shouldnt be any reason for you
getting out of the list. So just hang in there ....

Ahh... I know I've probably asked for all the Mladenisms that's going to
come, but honestly, have meant only good.



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