I think the issue is precisely that no notice was allegedly given, though this does seem to have occurred about 3 months after the takeover became final. On 2 Aug 2010 15:28, "Walker, Jed S" <Jed_Walker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I don’t think many people do - I think it is a small minority of people that think they are evil for this. They are a business and it makes sense that they would not provide free service to a competitor. It is just bad news that PostgreSQL has lost those servers. Hopefully Oracle at least gave them reasonable notice, but PostgreSQL should have seen it coming and prepared for it if they were smart. As to mutating triggers, if I recall the Multi-version concurrency builds all changes as new blocks that will replace the old when the transaction completes, thus you still see the old blocks query-wise. Tradeoffs to everything, but we had several cases were we would have had to deal with this if It’d been oracle we had been using. *From:* Ghassan Salem [mailto:salem.ghassan@xxxxxxxxx] *Sent:* Monday, August 02, 2010 8:10 AM *To:* Walker, Jed S *Cc:* aluoor@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* Re: is Oracle evil? About former Sun Open Source @Oracle I don't really understand why people see that Oracle is doing evil in this case. After all, Ora...