RE: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?

From: "Mercadante, Thomas F" <thomas.mercadante@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:57:56 -0500
the OCM exam costs $2000.  plus at least on required Oracle class.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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From: ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx [mailto:ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?


i went to the website and didn't see anything about pricing. how much does
this stuff costs? If you look at what they are really doing it's what an HR
department does when you go for an interview and you do not have to pay for
it. You just sign papers giving them the right to conduct a background
check. 

I hope this doesn't catch on or its several thousand dollars out of our
pockets just for another piece of paper. 
> 
> From: "TOMPKINS, MARGARET" <MARGARET.TOMPKINS@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2004/03/24 Wed AM 07:59:46 EST
> To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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> I'm familiar with the OCM.  I know of one company, ITC2, that is starting
to do experienced based certifications and was wondering if there were
others out there.  Maggie 
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[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lex de Haan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:19 PM
> To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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> 
> I think you are referring to the OCM programme -- Oracle Certified
Masters. that's a tough one indeed, and it involves some real problem
scenarios to be solved, on a standalone Linux box, under quite some time
pressure.  it is not cheap, though, and there are only a limited number of
places where you can take those exams. search for OU and certification on
the Oracle website, and I guess you will find more info ...
>  
> hope this helps, kind regards,
> Lex.
> 
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> From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of TOMPKINS, MARGARET
> Sent: dinsdag 23 maart 2004 20:33
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> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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> I'm starting to see some experienced based certifications.  They are case
studies reviewed by experts.  It would be more like an essay exam than
multiple choice.  Interviews are also a part of the process.  Does anyone
have experience with those?  Maggie
> 
> Respectfully, 
> Maggie Tompkins - CAD SQA 
> Corporate Applications Division 
> Technology Services Organization - Kansas City 
> Defense Finance and Accounting Service 
> 816-926-1117 (DSN 465); Margaret.Tompkins@xxxxxxxx 
> 
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[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Chris Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:41 PM
> To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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> 
> I wholeheartedly agree.  ...but I think it is also true that even among
non-dba types, the legitimacy of the ocp is declining due to the fact that
there are so many people out there that pass the tests because they have a
'question repository'.  I remember trying to aquire the classroom
documentation via the internet because my company would not send me to the
classes (nor did I want to go to the class).  In my search I came across
several dba forums where the exact questions and answers were laid out for
everyone to see.  ...it's crap.  ...it's also one of the (probably too few)
times in my life where I took the moral high road and went on to the next
google hit...often not before posting a nasty message to the forum.
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> Hell...I studied the documentation from the classes and investigated what
I didn't understand via working through examples and referencing the
official documentation.  I felt pretty good about getting the certification
and felt I was a fully competent dba.  ...and then I joined this list and
realized just how little I knew.  ...I shudder to think what has happened at
companies where some newly knighted ocp lands a production dba gig with all
the confidence that (sometimes) comes by passing the tests.    ...I struggle
with not screwing things up as it is! :-)
> 
>  
> 
> I know this has been discussed before.......but this hits home.  I am
currently looking for a job and because I don't personally feel I'm at the
sr. dba level and as a result don't market myself as such, my resume
probably gets lumped in with a  bunch of people who hold certifications but
can't do a d@mn thing!!  ...and given the current market situation, it's not
a fun place to be!
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> 
> Woo.  That felt good.  ...back to reading oracle design.  ...thanks mogens
for reminding me just how good this book is!
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> chris
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> From: Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:40 AM
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> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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> > ..if it has any value at all. 
> 
> I must disagree with this statement. 
> 
> True, it may have no value among your Oracle peers. 
> 
> But I doubt that anyone here is getting it to impress their peers.  We 
> all know better.  Wrong answers, dumb questions, etc. 
> 
> The OCP may be the deciding factor when applying for employment. 
> 
> Check monster.com and dice.com.  I have seen ads on several occasions 
> that *require* OCP. 
> 
> It may also be tied to an individuals employment grade and/or salary
increase. 
> 
> You just need to consider another perspective on the subject. 
> 
> Jared 
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> Chris Stephens <ChrisStephens@xxxxxxxxxx> 
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>  03/23/2004 05:36 AM 
>  Please respond to oracle-l 
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> And this is one of the reasons ocp gets to be less and less valuable....if
> it has any value at all.
> 
> ...study the database...not the questions.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kommareddy, Srinivas (MED, Wissen Infotech)
> [mailto:Srinivas.Kommareddy@xxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:51 AM
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> "'=SMTP:oracledba@xxxxxxxxxxx'"@int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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> Hi,
> 
> Do you need an easy way ? 
> 
> ping me personallly if you need the question bank. You willl get more than
> 60-70% of the questions in the exam from this question bank.
> 
> Thanks and Regads,
> Srinivas
> 
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> On Behalf Of VIVEK_SHARMA
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:04 PM
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> Thanks
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