You might be correct, but Pete has 100 days grace period ...
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Pete stop spreading vicious rumors ;) EM is not going anywhere, just not
the focus for Cloud deployments. Folks with on-premises db’s can use either
OEM or OMC, or a combination of the two.
Send me the SR and I’ll have someone look into it ;)
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From: Chris Stephens <cstephens16@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:50 AM
To: peter.sharman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx>; oracle-l <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
this is the second oracle-l thread where the future of EM has been questioned.
is the product going away in the future? will it be replaced by something else
for shops that run their own databases?
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 6:03 PM <peter.sharman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Looking at other options is not on the table, Tim.
I make no comment about EOL for EM. :(
Pete
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Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
In the end, all products are EOL, but some are closer to EOL than others.
With masking options from Informatica, IBM, Delphix, Red Gate, Dataveil, and
others to choose from, each of which mask data across most all relational
database platforms, as well as documents, it seems short-sighted to invest
licensing money, time, and effort on masking one island of information within
Oracle one way, and masking all other database platforms using other methods.
Because all confidential data in non-prod needs to be masked, not just Oracle.
Full disclosure: I work for Delphix, and we do data masking at-rest across
almost all databases and documents, including mainframe.
In the past 4+ years, I have only once come up against data masking using the
Oracle EM pack. This company disliked their experiences masking with the
Oracle pack because it generated complex SQL and PL/SQL to perform the masking
within the database engine. Masking algorithms are computationally intensive
(i.e. encryption, hashing, list-processing, etc) and thus difficult to optimize
in generated SQL and PL/SQL, performing poorly as they chew up CPU expensively
licensed for database. When you charge as much as Oracle does based on CPU,
you don't want that CPU doing anything but database workload.
By contrast, each and all of the other data masking packages retrieve arrays of
rows to an appserver, mask them in the appserver (typically a generic Linux
server), then either insert them forward or update them back using ROWID, less
reliance on the Oracle optimizer, and employing less expensive CPU for the
computationally-intense masking workload, conserving the expensive database
licensed CPUs for database workload.
So when your customers regroup to mask across the enterprise instead of an
island of Oracle, any of these masking vendors will be happy to solve that.
Especially down under, on that super big island y'all have... :)
On 11/13/18 14:36, peter.sharman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yes, I know, it’s unlike me to be asking a question on EM instead of answering
one. 😊
This is one I’ve never seen before. I’ve been setting up Data Masking for a
customer and we have a couple of different ADMs. Previously, the Referential
Relationships screen showed no records, as the referential integrity is not
defined in the database (not ideal, but that's how it is). But now the screen
is completely blank - no buttons, no screen saying no records found, nothing.
Anyone seen anything like that before? Restarting the OMS didn't have any
impact. Logged an SR, but no response on it yet and the customer really wants
to see some progress so trying all avenues to move this forward.
EM 13.2 vanilla.
Thanks
Pete