About the patching. Most of the patches seems to be rolling upgrades, which means that no entire cluster downtime is required. But you still need to stop the instances/clusterware node per node. And here lies the problem, most applications are not rac "aware" and can't transparent deal with the failover of a session from one node to another (which is also the reason why so many applications still have some downtime when a rac node fails). The same applies for dataguard. If your application properly supports fan/fcf, then you will need very little maintenance downtime with rac. I if doesn't, then you probably will need more downtime (more layers to patch) then with a single node configuration (in which case dataguard may be a better solution). Regards, Freek D'Hooge Uptime Oracle Database Administrator email: freek.dhooge@xxxxxxxxx tel +32(0)3 451 23 82 http://www.uptime.be disclaimer: www.uptime.be/disclaimer -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l