Jared, as for the "wrong -OS", I wish I could have used Unix or Linux, but unfortunately Oracle education required stand-alone PCs with individual student having their own database. So we were stuck with XP-Pro machines that were destined for user delivery in 24 hours, but we raided the help-desk and grabbed 13 pcs to roll Oracle on them. Raj On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:34:24 -0700, Jared Still <jkstill@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Now that I think about it, that makes sense. I > haven't built a database lately, but I do recall > that you can indeed login as sysdba without > the listener, as that is how the database is > built at tht start. > > I may have been thinking of Remote Terminal > Services, which I believe requires the listener > to be started, as you are not actually on the console > when you connect to the database. > > As someone else already stated, it is the 'wrong' OS. > > Windows complicates everything it touches. > > Thanks, > Jared > -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l