Sorry about this very very basic/beginner question...
but is there a link or documentation someone can point to where I can read
about how oracle on docker is going to make things so drastically different
for developers/any organization? what was missing all these days and why is
this such a big deal..
I am trying to still get a grasp at things & want to understand the high
level difference between
- editioning feature that comes as part of db
- vm ( each developer runs his own db to do unit test)
- multi-tenant ( developer can own a copy of prod db.. in isolation where
things can be tested )
- application container ( 12.2)
now docker ( where entire stack is in a container)
Thanks in advance.
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Ryan January <rjanuary@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That's certainly an understandable position. Continuing with the
assumption that AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris all vanish. Docker is not Linux
only. Docker on windows is currently an option
windowscontainers/quick-start/quick-start-windows-server. Would I use
it, probably not. I'm not a fan of windows in the first place. Not
relevant to the Oracle discussion, but not only does Microsoft have docker
images for MS SQL server, they beat Oracle to that punch.
The only thing I can say is that I'm glad Oracle is giving those with a
more progressive attitude more options. Conversely; it's also great
they're not changing things for people that want to wait for the next
thing. The OUI is still the OUI, nothing has changed there. It's my
opinion that the less I see it the better. For me it's wasted cycles I
should spend making progress with the business.
I've (both personally and within business) been focusing much less on
Oracle in the past few years. The decision is multifaceted, but one large
reason is that they've not been what I would call cloud friendly.
(Obviously barring the Oracle cloud which is a completely different
discussion) It's not perfect, but this is positive visible progress. I
can already think of areas in which this is a viable option for me. I'm
watching with interest.
On Apr 21, 2017, at 11:39 PM, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@xxxxxxxxx>
On 04/21/2017 09:56 AM, Ryan January wrote:
I do think it's fantastic that Oracle is trying to get up to date with
modern deployment practices, getting us freed from the archaic install
Well, that "archaic install process" is necessary if Oracle wants to
support things like AIX, Windows, HP-UX and last but certainly not least,
Solaris. Docker is a Linux-only platform. Sure, AIX, HP-UX and Solaris may
vanish, but I doubt that Windows is going anywhere soon. So let's place
Docker where it belongs: into the Linux world. The future of Docker also
depends on what will the Microsoft do with their database, which is coming
to Linux, this time not as an April fool's joke. If there is a database
with more installed instances than Oracle, that's SQL Server. SQL Server
2016 has a row level locking, in-memory component which holds both row and
column representation of the table in memory, a technology pioneered by
something called "Blu Acceleration" almost a year before Oracle 12c, and
the right to create partitioned tables with no extra license costs and will
be a formidable competitor to Oracle, right from the start. If MS doesn't
do Docker, that will be a big snag for Docker. And it doesn't look like MS
will do Docker. MS chose Ubuntu as their foremost Linux platform and there
is no SQL Server snap available. For those who don't know, snappy is a
Ubuntu version of Docker:
I was looking for a SQL Server snap, because I am running Ubuntu on my
desktop. As a matter of fact, this very message is written on Ubuntu
Any progress is great in my eyes.
It's questionable whether installing Oracle with Docker is a progress. One
size fits all installation will not be as easy to adjust to powerful
machines people usually use as DB servers. I know that Oracle is pushing
Docker hard, but Oracle doesn't have a Midas touch. Some things that Oracle
has bought have turned into mufflers: Hyperion, x10 and WebLogic are prime
examples. I guess it's a different kind of Midas touch.
I'm just looking at it very skeptically before I start talking about it
more with our devs. Is this just a PR spin, trying to get everyone excited
about Oracle cloud?
It may well be the case. Amazon and Azure are far ahead of Oracle in the
cloud game. IBM Bluemix is a very serious competitor, too. I am not sure
that mixing Docker into the Oracle cloud offering will be such a
revolution. It remains to be seen. As opposed to many others on this list,
I am adopting wait and see attitude when Docker is in question. I was once
berated on this list,
by being told that Docker is now a $1G venture. To answer that, I can only
remind people that Lehman Brothers was a $600G venture.
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