Hi, Oracle makes the following statement in a metalink note on 8.1.7 desupport: ""Oracle offers Sustaining Support on Database Release 8.1.7.x for an indefinite period of time, in accordance with the new Lifetime Support Policy"". What does Sustaining Support mean? What is the new Lifetime Support Policy? Regards, Parvez _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007