There are politics with most Exadata installations because of the same reasons.
In a lot of environments there is a group of DBAs that help manage the
Exadata, in some companies it is the regular Linux/Storage/Network teams that
manage the systems.
Over the last 5 years or so where Oracle has bundled Platinum Services for
free, it makes the political argument mostly go away as it becomes more of a
vendor managed unit, with client side interactions for patching or major
hardware upgrades.
This in some cases eliminates the argument about having people to manage the OS
when platinum services is available.
Only in extreme environments of separation of duties (Databases team is
considered a part of the application stack instead of the Infrastructure stack)
that an argument may still exist.
At one client we simply needed to create Architecture document explaining how a
small team of DBAs representing Exadata Machine Administrators and did not
perform regular DBA activities. We also combined security into their duties and
they were considered more of Infrastructure instead of application DBAs.
Just depends on the companies politics as to how to manage it.
As to your original problem, if you decided to go the z/Linux and z/VM route if
possible, I am sure IBM would be more than willing to help solve your problem
of no one knowing Linux. They could probably provide the services for you as
most mainframe shops normally have IBM personnel onsite already providing some
of the OS/hardware services, so not much difference.
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Rob Lockard
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:52 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Oracle 12C on Z/OS
Freek,
Thank you, There are a lot of political issues in this environment along the
lines of what group is going to manage OS, storage and approve environments.
It's politics, nothing good can come of me commenting on that.
-Rob
On 5/28/2016 4:23 AM, Freek D'Hooge wrote:
Hi,
Not an answer to your question, but I'm wondering in how many places using
Exadata, it are the system admins who are responsible for maintaining the OS on
the exadata (or the storage admins to maintain the ASM storage)?
In my experience, it are the DBA's who are responsible for managing the entire
box: databases, storage and os. (and for patching it).
There is however, a small possibility that my experience is not representative
;-)
So I would love to hear from the others on this list what their experiences are.
Kind regards,
Freek D'Hooge
On vr, 2016-05-27 at 16:25 +0000, rob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Well my Evil plan started with getting this customer off of running Oracle on
windows servers. In this plan; I got buy in on Exadata to do the consolidation.
There was a wrinkle in my plan, this shop has no experience in Linux or Solaris
so the Windows admins started complaining, bla bla bla. In the end it appears
the deputy CIO has shot down my plan. I’m not one to wine; so if the issue is
“what do we have experience with” is a major driver then this shop is also in
possession of a Z10 a top notch support staff and the associated infrastructure.
Now I have to go to my Evil backup plan, migrate their databases to 12C PDB’s
on the Z10. My director (25 years mainframe system programmer), and two Oracle
DBA’s (with over 35 years mainframe experience each) all love this ides. My
director is going to get some system stats on the Z10 to see if there is enough
there to host our Oracle Databases. However before I drive this train too far
down the track I need a bit of advice.
1) Does Oracle 12C and DB2 coexists nicely on Z/OS?
2) Can you point me to any high level papers on 12C on Z/OS?
3) Are there any technical issues out there that we should consider beyond
available system resources?
-Rob
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