RE: Oracle 10g for Windows

  • From: Jared Still <jkstill@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Oracle-L Freelists <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:04:55 -0800

Mark,

I've used Cygwin for several years, along with many
other 3rd party tools.

But it doesn't come with the Os, does it?

Jared

On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 07:16, Mark Leith wrote:
> And a couple of other comments:
> 
> For a text editor try "ConText".. It's a free alternative to textpad
> which is just as good.. 
> (http://fixedsys.com/context/)
> 
> For UNIX command line type options try cygwin.. 
> (http://www.cygwin.com/)
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark Leith
> Cool-Tools UK Limited
> 
> Tel: 01905 330 281
> Fax: 08701 275 283
> mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.cool-tools.co.uk
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Davey, Alan
> Sent: 16 February 2004 15:03
> To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Have either of you tried the Scheduled Tasks program?  On W2K it is
> available under the Control Panel.  I've used it in the past and unlike
> the 'at' command it works reliably and is easy to configure.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Alan Davey
> Senior Analyst/Project Leader
> Oracle 9i OCA; 3/4 OCP
> w) 973.267.5990 x458
> w) 212.295.3458
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:FREEMANR@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:49 AM
> To: 'Jared Still '; 'Oracle-L Freelists '
> Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> 
> 
> Comments inline ...
> 
> RF
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> >> What I dislike about working with Oracle on Windows:
> 
> >> * No decent scheduler.  Yes there is 'at'.  Like I said...
> Good point, though this should be less of an issue with the new Oracle
> Database 10g Scheduler, which is supposed to be able to kick off
> external programs (including batch programs). I have not played with
> this specific bit of functionality much, but what I have played with
> worked.
> 
> >> * Installing Perl on win32 with all needed modules has become a
> >> monumental pain in the rear.
> Hmmmmmm..... Another reason that Perl just isn't one of my fav.
> scripting languages.
> 
> >> * Why can't MS provide a semi-decent code editor.
> >> Yeah, notepad. Right.
> and vi or ed is any better??? Granted, once you learn vi, it's pretty
> cool, but in the begining? UGH! My vote for best windows editor is
> textpad.... hands down the best editor I've ever used.
> 
> Anyone remember an editor called EC? Do they still make it?
> 
> >> * Command line utilities.  You think unix/linux is arcane?
> Actually, you can do a lot at the command line in NT.... Of course, it's
> not as robust as UNIX (have yet to find, for example, a fold command).
> Still, if you are some C or basic coding experience or you are adept at
> the web, it's not too bad. 
> 
> >> * The fact that an incredibly robust PIPE implementation is built in,
> 
> >> but there is no access from the command line.  And that Oracle is 
> >> built with the MS stdlib ( think that's the sitation ) so even when 
> >> you get 3rd party tools that work with PIPE's, they won't work with 
> >> Oracle.
> Ok, I agree, this has been an issue with me as well. 
> 
> >> * The fact that there are still drive letters.
> Ahhhh, so what? :-) Drive letters, mount points, who cares? 
> 
> 
> >> * That MS has *finally* got around to offering unix like utilities, 
> >> but wants $100 for them, on top of the money you've already paid for 
> >> the OS.
> I've seen NT related UNIX utilities around for a while (don't recall if
> they were MS though). 
> 
> >> * That it took until Win23k for MS to design the system to allow 
> >> different versions of apps to have different versions of DLL's. 
> >> Lesse, we've been doing this on unix for 30 years or so?
> Hey, we all have growing pains! :-)
> 
> >> * The stupid Oracle home selector that is strictly a GUI.
> I have yet to use the Oracle home selector. Of course, I'm an old Oracle
> command line guy.... OEM gives me a rash.
> 
> >> * That whenever a change in environment is made that needs to be 
> >> picked up by an existing or new service, you must reboot because 
> >> there is no other way to reset the environment seen by services.exe.
> Can't you just stop and restart the service? How often does one need to
> change the environment in production anyway (hopefully not that often
> once it's stable!)
> 
> >> Mind you now, Oracle runs just fine on win32.  It's maintaining it 
> >> and working with the environment that is so annoying, and made 
> >> difficult where it shouldn't be.
> For me, the scheduler has been the biggest issue of all of these.
> Frankly, the others don't cause me much of an issue. Each platform has
> it's good and bad side. Which would I prefer, Oracle on UNIX... but I
> just don't think Windows is that bad.
> 
> Jared
...


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