Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if so inclined)

  • From: David Fitzjarrell <oratune@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "kevin.lange@xxxxxxxxxx" <kevin.lange@xxxxxxxxxx>, "oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:16:49 -0700 (PDT)

I guess I should be embarassed to say that I didn't but I have never been 
'into' online gaming.
 
Does that take away my coveted 'Nerd' status?

David Fitzjarrell


From: "Lange, Kevin G" <kevin.lange@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if 
so inclined)


What ?  Didn't everyone have their favorite Warrior-Mage weilding a sword with 
one hand while throwing fireballs with the other ?

From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Guillermo Alan Bort
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:51 PM
To: Taylor, Chris David
Cc: Michael.Coll-Barth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if 
so inclined)

Thanks Chris, I didn't want to mention multiclassing and RPG but that is 
exactly what I had in mind when I wrote my reply... I honestly didn't expect 
there to be many who'd understand that reference here.

cheers
Alan.-



On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Taylor, Chris David 
<ChrisDavid.Taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This touches on where I was going with my thought processes.
> 
>It seems to me to be similar to the idea of multi-classing for those of us who 
>used to play RPGs back in the day.
> 
>It seems to me (and perhaps I’m wrong) that an individual can achieve a higher 
>level of expertise through a targeted/focused approach in a specific area or 
>skill set.  When a person tries to achieve the same level of expertise in 2 
>similar (but also very different) skill sets, the proficiency in both is 
>_behind_ any individual who takes the targeted approach and will always remain 
>behind.
> 
>-Chris
> 
>From:alanbort@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:alanbort@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guillermo 
>Alan Bort
>Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:03 PM
>To: Taylor, Chris David
>Cc: Michael.Coll-Barth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if 
>so inclined)
> 
>I've often found it difficult to find candidates who would be able to provide 
>"operational excelence" in a single RDBMS (Oracle)... I'd hate to have to look 
>for someone who has to be proficient in both.
>
>now, cynicism apart, I think that in order to be really good at what you do 
>you have to dedicate a lot of time to it, and if you expect to have any kind 
>of work-life balance then you simply don't have the time to master two RDBMS' 
>to the same level.
>
>"Ah, but I already know Oracle, so I'll spend the next 5 years training in 
>SQL" you say? Well, good luck with that... if you have the time to do full 
>training on SQL then I envy you... and furthermore, 5 years of full time 
>training on SQL means no upkeep training on Oracle, which means you'd be stuck 
>with 9i/10g right now with all these nifty new 11gR2 features... perhaps this 
>is what Oracle is talking about.
>
>Also, I think we need to consider the target audience and read a little more 
>than the phrase itself, I think it's aimed at large companies with very large 
>DBA groups (from 10 to several dozen dbas), so they are giving a statement 
>that applies to *most* people. I have no doubt that there's someone out there 
>that is an Oracle Guru and an expert in SQL Server and also dabbles in MySQL 
>and PGSQL and keeps a Sybase in his usbkey... though I doubt very much they 
>are very common and I'd wager they have more than a couple of decades of 
>experience, which means hiring them may prove too expensive.
>
>just my 0.02 AR$. ;-)
>
>cheers
>Alan.-
>
>
>On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Taylor, Chris David 
><ChrisDavid.Taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Yikes!  Yes, I think you need to eat J
> 
>I actually made the conscious decision to not define Operational Excellence 
>because it is different for each organization.  Operational excellence might 
>be recognized by providing 5 9s of availability (99.999) because that is what 
>is determined as the measuring stick for a particular organization.  A 
>different organization may strive for response time for 90% of queries to 
>complete in under 10 ms.  Obviously these are simplistic examples.
> 
>I think you have made the mistake of equating excellence with infallible or 
>inerrant (or perhaps both).  Perhaps to you that is what operational 
>excellence is.  To be inerrant and/or infallible.
> 
>I hope that helps.
> 
>--Chris
> 
>From:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>Behalf Of Coll-Barth, Michael
>Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:13 PM
>
>To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if 
>so inclined)
> 
> 
>What utter nonsensical, management double speak; 'operational excellence'.
> 
>But, I'll play.
> 
> 
> 
>Care to define the term?  
> 
> 
>If I were to take the term at face value, I'd have to say that there are very 
>few out there that could be considered excellent at anything.  Some of us may 
>be very good or even damn good, but excellent?  No.  Even someone like Tom 
>Kyte has failings and he'd be the first to tell you that.  Just check out his 
>web site.
> 
>As written, the statement is false and inflammatory.  
> 
>Add the following line;  'But that individual could provide the operational 
>proficiency that is quite a bit more than good enough', and the statement 
>becomes true and reasonable.
> 
> 
>And with that said, 'excellence' is something to be strived for by everyone, 
>but is rarely, if ever, achieved by anyone.
> 
> 
> 
>I haven't eaten today, so perhaps I'm just not feeling excellent.  Ted, Bill?  
>You ready to head out?  Your stepmom *is* cute, though.
> 
> 
>From:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>Behalf Of Taylor, Chris David
>Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:47 PM
>To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
>Subject: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if so 
>inclined)
> 
>I just want to get an idea of where some of you fall on this statement…
> 
>Truth Statement:
>Due to the differences in Oracle and Microsoft database products, an 
>individual person cannot provide operational excellence in both products with 
>regard to the management of large enterprise data stores.  
> 
>(That is, to achieve operational excellence in regard to enterprise data 
>management of large data stores managed by both Oracle and SQL Server, you 
>need individuals who specialize in each technology).
> 
>--Chris
> 

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