The pigeons seems to do just fine in NYC, I imagine the robins aren't as bad off as you state. You seem to be more concerned with a little robin dropping dead than my freedom to "choose" what kind of car I want to drive. Besides you have plenty of rats and roaches and who is to say a roach is not =3D to a robin in value, more roaches, less robins, seems just fine. -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gogala, Mladen Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:20 AM To: 'kfabijanic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Operating System Experiences - Oracle App Server <rant> I know that I am cheap and easy. That is one among the consequences of the latest fashion known as the outsourcing. In 1998. in NYC, I was able to get $120/hr. Fortunately for us, the sight of two guys kissing seems to be more appalling and important then the fact that our salaries have been falling like .... well, like a rock (my apologies to Buddy Holly=20 and Chevy). It's a painful topic which I prefer not to discuss any further=20 on this list. As far as hybrids are concerned, my next car is definitely going to be one. I really hate those large gas guzzling fu-mobiles (like Hummer) in which you can enjoy the sight of little red robin choking in gas fumes in your=20 rearview mirror. Birds are dropping from the air as you drive. 40 gallons=20 of 93 octane - $100. Hummer - $80.000. The sight of the environment withering and dieing in your rearview mirror - priceless. Some things in life are priceless, for everything else there is MasterCard (TM). </rant> As for Linux, it is so much Unix-like that everything you know about Unix will hold true on Linux. As a matter of fact, Linux is more Unix-like=20 then AIX. If you are Unix oriented site, then there is nothing to think about: the answer to the question "where do you want to go today" is "to www.redhat.com". Anywhere but Redmond, WA. As for the anecdotes, I don't have any. Linux has seldomly given me anything to talk about. In fact, it is boring. It just works. As for my political leanings and beliefs, I will not reveal those on this forum. -- Mladen Gogala A & E TV Network Ext. 1216 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kresimir Fabijanic [mailto:kfabijanic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 5:46 AM > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Operating System Experiences - Oracle App Server >=20 >=20 > Hi Mladen, >=20 > 1) You are not expensive - 50$ US p.h. is a fair price (probably the=20 > travel to Australia would be a major component of the cost) -=20 > BTW hope=20 > you get your civic soon (hopefully the hybrid one) >=20 > 2) Personally, Linux would be my OS of choice - I have experience in=20 > both OSes and I am not uncomfortable with Bill=20 > Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaates - also our main=20 > db system=20 > is on AIX so we have a lot of shell script and Unix knowledge and the=20 > whole team feels more comfortable with Linux,=20 > buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut there is a Infrastructure=20 > group in our organisation and their preference was Windows as > a) we can't buy another AIX box, > b) we will not allow app server to be installed on the same=20 > server where the production db is located (we already let the b!@$*y=20 > Gentia in) > c) adding Linux would add another OS to the organisation and=20 > that would cause issues with our S.O.E. (standard operating=20 > environment)=20 > [so lame excuse that I had to keep my face straight] > d) I spent four months beating Oracle Application=20 > Server 10g for=20 > Windoze into submission, so I do have some (not great)=20 > experience but... >=20 > 3) Discoverer is still an unbelievable piece of ...., well sranje.... >=20 > 4) The posting was more an inquiry about the real life=20 > experiences (any=20 > anecdote is welcome) rather than the war of OSes. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l