Here's a happy note Ellis to lift you out of your gloom....In Statetech = magazine I read this morning, "In 2001, the state (Delaware) dissolved = the IT organization, then spent two years rebuilding it from = scratch....by making the state's salary structure similar to private = industry, Delaware was able to rehire about 80% of its IT staff and also = lured tech workers from the private sector." =20 A careful reading of that sentence tells me that Delaware was able to = SHED 20% of it's dead weight... Way to go Delaware! Anyway, Ellis you = have provided the most entertaining reading I have experienced in = awhile. If you give up on IT you can join Scott Adams (Dilbert) or Dave = Barry as a commentator. <g> -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of david wendelken Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:36 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: standards Gosh, Ellis, I get the feeling you aren't impressed with the talent and = dedication of folks at APS. :) -----Original Message----- >From: "Ellis R. Miller" <sartre1@xxxxxxxxxxx> >Arizona Public Service has 553 FTE's and not one has ever been fired = for >incompetence yet at least 250 are legally blind, deaf, brain dead, or = ... It's interesting how an organization can get on an upward spiral of = attracting talented, hard-working developers or on a downward spiral of = driving them off. All it takes is the change of one key person and an = entire organization can jump on the downward spiral very fast. Sadly, = it doesn't work the other way. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------