Re: OT: sheltered little world i live in -> NODB?
- From: Guillermo Alan Bort <cicciuxdba@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: mnavickas@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:37:44 -0300
Uncle Bob does have some valid points, but the rhetoric is disturbingly
similar to that of sect leaders. And I fear that's just what he is, one in
a bunch of people who think like him and they validate each other.
Database or no database is not a problem of where you come from, but of
your own design ability. I tend to think of applications as database
centric because I tend to think about applications to make my life easier,
and that usually means historic data and persistence. I tend to program in
PL/SQL and C# because those are the languages I'm comfortable with, I
wonder if Uncle Bob has a preferred development language or model (like
java, c#, or a more general object oriented vs procedural). Just like not
every problem is a nail, not every problem is a screw either.
Now, there is value in a strong RDBMS, specially if you need to be able to
depend on the data you have. Backing up plain files can be messy and
difficult to restore (not that I never found a difficult restore scenario
with a database) and validating those backups usually requires dumping them
somewhere. If the data of who logs on to the network is essential for
somebody, then why not store it in a properly maintained database? (not
saying Oracle).
I think we had this discussion a few months ago when somebody mentioned
NoSQL... but I'm too tired/lazy to look for the thread.
As an interesting sidenote, I'm learning to develop games (as a hobby) and
the thought of using a database didn't even cross my mind. Interestingly
enough, neither did using flat files... When I come to the problem of
making the game data persistent I will choos the appropriate method.
Alan.-
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Mindaugas Navickas <mnavickas@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> My view might be not very popular within Oracle DBA community, but I found
> the article very interesting and intriguing. That's true that DBA would
> start designing application from database. And if that would be Oracle DBA,
> for sure he/she would start with Oracle EE + RAC + DataGuard with all
> available packs.
> Another point in the article is that new technologies are comming into
> database market (NoSQL, In-memory, Column-store...) that potencialy can
> change the DB technology landscape - but again if we apply it where it fits
> most. Risk is that new technology often is discredited placing it in places
> where traditional RDBMS would do the best.
> This is how I interpreted this... thank you for sharing the article and
> your views
> Mike Navickas
> Oracle&DB2 DBA
>
> From: Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: tim@xxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Chris.Stephens@xxxxxxx; "oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <
> oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:08:51 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: sheltered little world i live in -> NODB?
>
> I took it more as someone pointing out that not every application is a
> database application. We as DBA's have a great knowledge of database
> usage, but there is software out there that does not need a database behind
> it. And I have seen applications that use Oracle AQ when a simple fifo
> queue design with a single queue was all that was required to run the
> entire application.
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tim Gorman <tim@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > My US$0.02...
> > When I read that article, especially the part about an implicitly
> ignorant
> > "marketing guy" claiming that a relational database is needed, and that
> > flat files won't work, I hear a blinkered technical niche-worker who sees
> > only his own little job function and cannot conceive of any other
> > requirements, such as downstream data analytics, data mining, and data
> > warehousing. I see an organization strangling for lack of ad-hoc access
> to
> > data, choking on the software development lifecycle, flogging overworked
> > developers who struggle to churn out new reports from arbitrary and
> > unstructured flat-file structures.
> >
> >
>
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