RE: OT Oracle Server Operating System
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- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:49:59 -0400
>> we'll be in a mixed bag of fat clients, fat under
utilized apps servers and fat under utilized database servers till hell
freezes over, which ain't going to happen within my lifetime.<<
1- Ice can also burn so how do you know hell isn't already frozen over?
2- I agree with you anyway.
If anything the problem is getting worse not better. We never finished
migrating off the mainframe. It was supposed to go away more than a
decade ago. Today we have two mainframes as we provide our own disaster
recovery site. We still are doing new development work on the mainframe
and now have web pages into our non-rdbms mainframe database.
Naturally we have to run two RDMBS products and use a dozen programming
languages: COBOL, PL/1, mainframe assembler, Visual Basic, Visual C,
Pro*C, Forms and Report Writer, Unix Shells, JCL, DOS batch, and SAS
running on two or three versions of UNIX, NT and XP, plus OS-Z and until
fairly recently VMS. These are just the languages I can think of off
the top of my head. Throw in a couple dozen vendor products that have to
be interfaced and apply the same general name to different applications
that run on different platforms and pretty darn soon working in IT is
going to start to get messy.
The only way IT will get better is when top management sits down and
makes aligning IT to the business a daily task instead of mostly
ignoring it and leaving IT to either individual departments or a central
group that top management ignores.
Just my opinion.
-- Mark D Powell --
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[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:09 PM
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Subject: RE: OT Oracle Server Operating System
Oh I hate getting into these religious war topics, but. I started out
in this business with a terminal (VT-240) so that one could connect to a
centralized VAX. Things worked very well & there was little need for
software configuration or "DLL HELL" as it is today. Things then moved
to the client server world that made some sense & yes I've been into the
problems thereof, like two apps that want to use different versions of
Crystal Reports and/or Oracle. Now we're into thin clients that use app
servers, oh joy were heading back full circle. None of these
configurations has made sense in the end mainly because the bottle neck
never gets fixed, just moved around. The problem with host based
computing was provisioning enough cpu, memory, and disk space for
everyone's needs. Basic problem was that you needed enough for the peak
usage that occurred once a month and that was expensive. Client server
moved the bottle neck to the individual PC and the connection it had to
the backend database server. Once again one had to provision for worst
case & that again was expensive. But you also had compatibility issues
to boot. Now we're talking about app servers which again have to be
provisioned for worst case and each app wants it's own server. Damn
that's expensive as well. We have tried the Citrix route too and no it
isn't working out very well, for the above reasons namely you've got
these beefy servers sitting around idle 99% of the time and people still
want beefy pc's for their excel spread sheets, word documents, etc. And
to make matters worse someone has gotten this idea of departmental
servers into folks heads so multiply the number of database and app
servers by the number of departments you have. The problems with
compatibility may have diminished, but the complexity has increased by a
factor or two. IMHO we'll be in a mixed bag of fat clients, fat under
utilized apps servers and fat under utilized database servers till hell
freezes over, which ain't going to happen within my lifetime.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of stephen booth
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:47 PM
To: kmoore@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: OT Oracle Server Operating System
On 19/07/05, Keith Moore <kmoore@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I found this quote interesting: "Ellison and other Oracle executives
saw
> Raw Iron vindicating his failed network computer concept"
>
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