ah yes, once again I fired off to oracle-l when I meant to do oak table...sorry for the noise. ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Closson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:15 PM To: ORACLE-L Subject: RE: ORA-0214, controlfile updates question so, admins create multiplexed CF because one is good, so more must be better! :-) ________________________________ From: Tuomas Pystynen [mailto:tuomas.pystynen@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:34 PM To: Kevin Closson Cc: OakTable List Subject: Re: ORA-0214, controlfile updates question I agree. After a crash there is no recovery before controlfiles are opened (and ORA-214 is signalled). Oracle can not write atomically to multiple controlfiles. Some important controlfile updates (such as add datafile) are logged to redo. But it doesn't help here. The redo can not be applied before controlfiles are opened (redo log names are there). I believe redo is applied to controlfiles only during media recovery when using backup controlfile. Tuomas Kevin Closson wrote: >>>Due bugs that show them in extreme circumstances - why not? (I have to admit though that I haven't seen any corruption cases yet where the cause would have been determined as lost writes and nothing else). I'm not saying it it impossible, I'm saying that in this case it is MUCH more likely that Oracle's "transaction" areound this type of multiplexing is a bit questionable.