RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?

From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:53:35 -0600
Maggie - Any credential, certification, degree, etc., is only as worth what
the  person holding your resume thinks it is worth. If they never heard of
the certification, then they probably won't value it. And people won't spend
the time and money getting a certification unless there is a recognition of
its value. Kind of a chicken-and-egg problem. A big vendor like Oracle has
an advantage and also an incentive because more people will take its
classes. Notice how the test modules match class modules pretty well. So a
new vendor like ITC2 will have a difficult task getting recognition, enough
certified people, etc. And then there are people like me that feel one
certification program is too many so I'm sure not receptive to another.



Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

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I'm familiar with the OCM.  I know of one company, ITC2, that is starting to
do experienced based certifications and was wondering if there were others
out there.  Maggie 
 
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Behalf Of Lex de Haan
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:19 PM
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I think you are referring to the OCM programme -- Oracle Certified Masters.
that's a tough one indeed, and it involves some real problem scenarios to be
solved, on a standalone Linux box, under quite some time pressure.  it is
not cheap, though, and there are only a limited number of places where you
can take those exams. search for OU and certification on the Oracle website,
and I guess you will find more info ...
 
hope this helps, kind regards,
Lex.

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I'm starting to see some experienced based certifications.  They are case
studies reviewed by experts.  It would be more like an essay exam than
multiple choice.  Interviews are also a part of the process.  Does anyone
have experience with those?  Maggie

Respectfully, 
Maggie Tompkins - CAD SQA 
Corporate Applications Division 
Technology Services Organization - Kansas City 
Defense Finance and Accounting Service 
816-926-1117 (DSN 465); Margaret.Tompkins@xxxxxxxx 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:41 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree.  ...but I think it is also true that even among
non-dba types, the legitimacy of the ocp is declining due to the fact that
there are so many people out there that pass the tests because they have a
'question repository'.  I remember trying to aquire the classroom
documentation via the internet because my company would not send me to the
classes (nor did I want to go to the class).  In my search I came across
several dba forums where the exact questions and answers were laid out for
everyone to see.  ...it's crap.  ...it's also one of the (probably too few)
times in my life where I took the moral high road and went on to the next
google hit...often not before posting a nasty message to the forum.

 

Hell...I studied the documentation from the classes and investigated what I
didn't understand via working through examples and referencing the official
documentation.  I felt pretty good about getting the certification and felt
I was a fully competent dba.  ...and then I joined this list and realized
just how little I knew.  ...I shudder to think what has happened at
companies where some newly knighted ocp lands a production dba gig with all
the confidence that (sometimes) comes by passing the tests.    ...I struggle
with not screwing things up as it is! :-)

 

I know this has been discussed before.......but this hits home.  I am
currently looking for a job and because I don't personally feel I'm at the
sr. dba level and as a result don't market myself as such, my resume
probably gets lumped in with a  bunch of people who hold certifications but
can't do a d@mn thing!!  ...and given the current market situation, it's not
a fun place to be!

 

Woo.  That felt good.  ...back to reading oracle design.  ...thanks mogens
for reminding me just how good this book is!

 

chris

 

 

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From: Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:40 AM
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> ..if it has any value at all. 

I must disagree with this statement. 

True, it may have no value among your Oracle peers. 

But I doubt that anyone here is getting it to impress their peers.  We 
all know better.  Wrong answers, dumb questions, etc. 

The OCP may be the deciding factor when applying for employment. 

Check monster.com and dice.com.  I have seen ads on several occasions 
that *require* OCP. 

It may also be tied to an individuals employment grade and/or salary
increase. 

You just need to consider another perspective on the subject. 

Jared 








 

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And this is one of the reasons ocp gets to be less and less valuable....if
it has any value at all.

...study the database...not the questions.

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From: Kommareddy, Srinivas (MED, Wissen Infotech)
[mailto:Srinivas.Kommareddy@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:51 AM
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Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?

Hi,

Do you need an easy way ? 

ping me personallly if you need the question bank. You willl get more than
60-70% of the questions in the exam from this question bank.

Thanks and Regads,
Srinivas


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