1) I agree that if you don't care about certification, don't do it. If it doesn't prevent you getting work and you don't see value in it, ignore it. 2) If you were certified in an old version and don't want to upgrade, don't. I see no problem with you putting OCP DBA 9i on your CV because you were. Kind of like me putting PhD Genetic Engineering on mine. I don't do it any more and I can't remember much about it, but I did do it... 3) If you put "OCP DBA" on your CV in the hope that you will fool people into thinking it is a current OCP, when in fact you are only OCP for 9i, then this is wrong. I think aging out certifications is a good thing. Red Hat have been doing this for some time now. According to that article on The Register, VMware do it too. I think it is good to know if the certification is recent or not. What's more, this is not all that terrible a bind. By the time the 11g OCP is retired it will have been valid for about 7 years. Doing a certification once every 5-7 years is way less of an issue than the 3 year cycle RH has. What bothers me more is that the certification exams cost about 3 times the price they did when I started taking them. Apart from Houses and Petrol, not much else has increased in cost that much... :) Cheers Tim... -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l