Hi Morgens, I'm currently writing a new features book on 11r (the r btw standards for redundancies) and to think, I was going to ask you to proof read it. Well you can just forget about it if that's your attitude !! Cheers ;) Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mogens Nørgaard" <mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: New books and new authors - and experience? > > > Friends, > > I recently wrote this message, but then sent it just to myself in order > not to offend anyone or perhaps be misunderstood. > > But after 14 days with this message in my inbox, I have decided to go > ahead and send it to the list: > ================================================================= > > It's becoming a habit to churn out books about topics that cannot > possibly have been explored yet. And certainly not in any scientific manner. > > How on Earth can we have books out with the word "10g" on the cover when > 10g just came out, and we all know, that getting something as basic as > OEM (and certainly AWR/ADDM/ASH/Advisor services) to work during the > Beta phase has been damned near impossible? If that is the case, how can > the books talk in detail about how fantastic these features are? > Sandra's last name is... > > I don't really care whether the books were "betatized" or not, or > however various authors try to impress on people that their books are > better than the other's. These are all books written by people without > real experience in 10g (because it's bloody well impossible to HAVE real > experience yet!) talking about people writing books about something they > don't know enough about yet... > > I fully understand Oracle's wishes here. I fully understand the > publisher's wishes here. I might even understand the author's wishes > here (or maybe not). But it's too much now. iAS. > > I think it's time for all of us to stop buying sensationalist or > un-finished or whatever books and wait until books by people who've > actually done real work, in the real world, with 10g appear. > > Hands down: Shouldn't we all be reading James Morle's book (titled *8i*) > or Jonathan's (titled *8i*) and LEARNING real stuff instead of just > running around in real and virtual book stores, looking for new sound > bites or cut/paste's from Oracle's own documentation? > > Read Oracle's documentation first, try out 10g, then see if anybody with > REAL experience has written a book. > > Of course they haven't. They don't exist, since the Oracle version > hasn't been out yet. > > Oh, I know how this happens. Been there. You're approached by a > publisher who wants to publish fast and make lots of money for them and > you. If you don't say NO, then you're caught between delivering > SOMETHING and being blasted by the publisher. So you choose - perhaps - > to generate text and examples and stuff that make it appear as if you > actually WORKED with this new version of Oracle. > > Of course you didn't. Ask the authors what customers or partners they > worked with using 10g. Ask them if this was real production or just the > usual "let's try this, let's try that" stuff. Ask. Then think. Of course > they havne't been able to do anything realistic yet. > > Man, when I looked at the books offered from various publishers at the > RMOUG, there were a few good Oracle-related books (Dave Ensor's Design, > Cary's, Lawson's, Connor's, etc.) and about 90% of the displayed books > being ... well... not worth the money. > > Mogens > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. > -- > Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ > FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------