IGNORE that information as something else appears to be going on. When unsetting optmaxperm and optcbtransform I'm getting the better plan now by default. Investigating... Chris -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Christopher - Nashville Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:15 AM To: Taylor Christopher - Nashville; jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; mwf@xxxxxxxx; niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx; oratune@xxxxxxxxx; breitliw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Need some 10053 Guidance to help me solve a puzzler (adjusted _optimizer_max_permutations, cost_based_transformation) Interesting.... alter session set "_optimizer_max_permutations"=80000; alter session set "_OPTIMIZER_COST_BASED_TRANSFORMATION"=EXHAUSTIVE; 197876 rows selected. Elapsed: 00:00:38.48 Plan: https://gist.github.com/3879343 SINGLE TABLE ACCESS PATH ----------------------------------------- BEGIN Single Table Cardinality Estimation ----------------------------------------- Table: MON_ACCOUNT_PAYER_CALC_SERVICE Alias: MAPCS Card: Original: 18094159 Rounded: 18094159 Computed: 18094159.00 Non Adjusted: 18094159.00 ----------------------------------------- END Single Table Cardinality Estimation ----------------------------------------- Access Path: TableScan Cost: 902152.61 Resp: 902152.61 Degree: 0 <----------------- Changed Cost_io: 900989.00 Cost_cpu: 8801929733 Resp_io: 900989.00 Resp_cpu: 8801929733 ******** Begin index join costing ******** ****** trying bitmap/domain indexes ****** Access Path: index (FullScan) Index: IND_MODCOMP_06 resc_io: 117297.00 resc_cpu: 4454155348 ix_sel: 1 ix_sel_with_filters: 1 Cost: 117885.84 Resp: 117885.84 Degree: 0 Access Path: index (FullScan) Index: MAPY_CALC_SVC_CESVCID resc_io: 66218.00 resc_cpu: 4090399314 ix_sel: 1 ix_sel_with_filters: 1 Cost: 66758.75 Resp: 66758.75 Degree: 0 Access Path: index (FullScan) Index: MAPY_CALC_SVC_PERF1 resc_io: 71352.00 resc_cpu: 4126960787 ix_sel: 1 ix_sel_with_filters: 1 Cost: 71897.58 Resp: 71897.58 Degree: 0 Access Path: index (FullScan) Index: MAPY_CALC_SVC_PK resc_io: 49418.00 resc_cpu: 3970759122 ix_sel: 1 ix_sel_with_filters: 1 Cost: 49942.93 Resp: 49942.93 Degree: 0 Access Path: index (FullScan) Index: MAPY_CALC_SVC_PK resc_io: 49418.00 resc_cpu: 3970759122 ix_sel: 1 ix_sel_with_filters: 1 Cost: 49942.93 Resp: 49942.93 Degree: 0 ****** finished trying bitmap/domain indexes ****** Access Path: index (FullScan) Index: IND_MODCOMP_06 resc_io: 117297.00 resc_cpu: 4454155348 ix_sel: 1 ix_sel_with_filters: 1 Cost: 117885.84 Resp: 117885.84 Degree: 0 ******** Cost index join ******** Index join: Considering index join to index MAPY_CALC_SVC_PK Index join: Joining index IND_MODCOMP_06 Ix HA Join Outer table: resc: 62428.67 card 18094159.00 bytes: 20 deg: 1 resp: 62428.67 Inner table: <no name> resc: 147357.30 card: 18094159.00 bytes: 27 deg: 1 resp: 147357.30 using dmeth: 2 #groups: 1 Cost per ptn: 433658.77 #ptns: 1 hash_area: 256 (max=128000) Hash join: Resc: 643444.73 Resp: 643444.73 [multiMatchCost=0.00] ******** Index join cost ******** Cost: 643444.73 ******** Index join OK ******** ******** End index join costing ******** Best:: AccessPath: IndexJoin <-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Changed Cost: 643444.73 Degree: 1 Resp: 643444.73 Card: 18094159.00 Bytes: 0 *************************************** -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l