Thanks Tim. For some reason I was thinking that with ASM, each request involving storage would use the listener to start new connections to the ASM instance. Guess I could have run a few tests on that first (which I did just now). I'm in the process of configuring 9 more servers for 10.2.0.4 & ASM and wanted to be PAINFULLY aware of all details. Dave ___________________________________ Dave Herring, DBA | A c x i o m M I C S / C S O 630-944-4762 office | 630-430-5988 wireless | 630-944-4989 fax -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gorman [mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:21 AM To: Herring Dave - dherri Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Listener under ASM or db? Taking a TNS Listener down does not "break" existing database connections -- it only means new connection requests from clients get no response. So, before patching/upgrading /lsnr, "move" the listener to the ORACLE_HOME with the highest version temporarily, then patch/upgrade /lsnr. Outage is very very brief (i.e. /lsnr/bin/lsnrctl stop, /db_2/bin/lsnrctl start). Once upgrade of /lsnr is complete (and it is only the "relink" phase that really matters), then "move" the listener back to /lsnr (i.e. /db_2/bin/lsnrctl stop, /lsnr/bin/lsnrctl start)... Quoting Herring Dave - dherri <Dave.Herring@xxxxxxxxxx>: > Good points, but now I?m even more confused. Let?s say I?ve got > /asm, /db_1, and /db_2 homes and then place the listener in it?s own > home /lnsr. Now I want to patch or upgrade /db_2. If I want to > keep the listener at the highest release, then I?d want to > patch/upgrade /lnsr. But, to do that I?d have to take the listener > down, which would break all communication with ASM, which would in > effect bring both databases down. > > > > What am I missing or have an incorrect understanding of? > > > > Dave > > > > > > ___________________________________ > > Dave Herring, DBA | A c x i o m M I C S / C S O > > 630-944-4762 office | 630-430-5988 wireless | 630-944-4989 fax > > ________________________________ > > From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Gorman > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:54 PM > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Listener under ASM or db? > > > > I was thinking the same thing, for the same reason, but hadn't seen > the MetaLink note, and in reading it, I don't see it explicitly > advising that the TNS listener reside under ASM home -- the note is > geared toward the CSS. > > Still, it makes good sense to locate a server-wide service such as > the TNS Listener alongside other server-wide services such as ASM > and CSS, except for the one glitch: generally it is advisable to > run the TNS Listener under the most up-to-date version of the RDBMS, > because the TNS Listener is always backward-compatible (up to a > point), but it is often not forward-compatible. This backward- and > forward-compatibility may not be such an issue with ASM and CSS (?), > but it can be a huge issue with TNS. > > So, with that backward- and forward-compatibility issue in mind, > think about it again and ask: which ORACLE_HOME's are likely to be > upgraded/patched to the highest level over time? One of the > ORACLE_HOMEs dedicated to one (or more) RDBMS instances? Or the > (single) ORACLE_HOME dedicated to the (single) ASM instance? > > Patching or upgrading the ORACLE_HOME of the ASM would involve > taking it down, which of course means taking all RDBMS instances on > the server down as well. > > So, from the standpoint of aesthetics and symmetry, it sounds good > to recommend placing the TNS Listener under the ASM home, but from a > practical standpoint, I suspect that it would prove unwieldy over > time. > > Alternatives? Run the TNS Listener under the ORACLE_HOME with the > latest version of the RDBMS? Run the TNS Listener under its own > separate ORACLE_HOME? > > > > Herring Dave - dherri wrote: > > So if we ever add an addition 1+ database(s) to the server using > ASM, then it makes most sense to keep the listener under ASM. I?ll > buy that. I just wanted a reason behind using one location of the > other. Thanks Mark! > > > > Dave > > > > > <mailbox://C%7C/Documents%20and%20Settings/Tim%20Gorman/Application%20Da ta/Thunderbird/Profiles/cjwu3zzh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/Inbox.sbd/ ORACLE-L?number=43658727&header=quotebody?=1.2&filename=image001.gif> > > ___________________________________ > > Dave Herring, DBA | A c x i o m M I C S / C S O > > 630-944-4762 office | 630-430-5988 wireless | 630-944-4989 fax > > ________________________________ > > From: Mark Strickland [mailto:strickland.mark@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:59 PM > To: Herring Dave - dherri > Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Listener under ASM or db? > > > > Dave, see Metalink Note #279353.1. You should run the listener and > CSS from the ASM home. 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