The trouble is: an increasing amount of Oracle functionality is dependent on the JVM without explicitly stating so. Ian MacGregor SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory On Mar 5, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Steve Harville <steve.harville@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:steve.harville@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: +1 Jeremy <Plug for minimal installations> That's what we do too. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:06 PM Jeremy Schneider <jeremy.schneider@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jeremy.schneider@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: In our case, we don't install the JVM as part of our standard DB creation scripts - because it's not needed by the apps we're running. Since it wasn't installed, it didn't need to be patched. <Plug for minimal installations> -J -- http://about.me/jeremy_schneider