RE: Is a RDBMS needed?

  • From: "Amaral, Rui" <Rui.Amaral@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "'cicciuxdba@xxxxxxxxx'" <cicciuxdba@xxxxxxxxx>, "dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:44:48 -0400

you wouldn't be the first Alan. I know of one dba how did that ... mind you he 
said that he wanted to change the thinking from the "inside"... take that as 
you will.

Rui Amaral
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TD Bank Financial Group
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Guillermo Alan Bort
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:24 AM
To: dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Subject: Re: Is a RDBMS needed?

so you are saying I should learn java (not too much apparently) blame 
everything on the database and miltiply my income four times? sounds good... 
downloading JDK and eclipse. :-P

Now, I don't think it's DBAs that increase the costs of the project, I think it 
the DB Licenses that do.

Oh, let's install a RAC here and why not make it an Active DataGuard... oh, 
wait, we went from the 4k of a SE to 20K in licensing... per CORE... fun! (I 
might be off in the numbers as I've never actually had to deal with licenses... 
but still)

Anyway, luckily (or regrettably?) it is not the case here that developers 
(regular ones at least) are paid more than dbas... :-P not that we get paid a 
lot... I think that speaks to the level of the devs' salaries more than it does 
to the dba's

cheers
Alan.-


On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Nuno Souto 
<dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
(pssst, Norman!):

http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/public_html/pages/work.htm<http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Ensouto/public_html/pages/work.htm>

I wrote that in 1998: it was part of my site back then, "the Den".
It's never been more actual!   :-)
Particularly the last section, which nearly explains how Uniface works.
Good design has never gone out of fashion: it's only been ignored by ignorant 
posers parading as "experts".  We gave up on tar and feathers too soon...



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Cheers
Nuno Souto
dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx>


Dunbar, Norman (Capgemini) wrote,on my timestamp of 30/06/2011 7:57 PM:


Uniface - many years ago - was the only application builder that I would
consider as being able to provide database independence. It had an
"assignment" file which told it to use Oracle (ORA) or SQL Server (MSS)
or plain text (TXT) and so on. Whichever setting was used caused a
different database layer library to be used to query the database. It
worked and it worked well.

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