yea .... I forgot the fact that they all go to 4 years of college to get their degree in CYA. -----Original Message----- From: Mercadante, Thomas F (LABOR) [mailto:Thomas.Mercadante@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:39 PM To: klange@xxxxxxxxxx; niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx; GJohnson@xxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: In a far away land ... That won't work. He then would say "We had a lousy bunch of developers at that time and - Hey Kevin, weren't you on that project?" LOL! _____ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Lange Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:34 PM To: 'niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx'; GJohnson@xxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: In a far away land ... Wrong Nial, the last part of that line should have read "and replacing your name in the change records and source code with that of the manager who took credit for all of it anyway." -----Original Message----- From: Niall Litchfield [mailto:niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:20 PM To: GJohnson@xxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: In a far away land ... I'm fairly sure that last sentence is cut short, surely it should read The story of the "Vision" database and Mr Lewis' "worst of all worlds" application, make you wonder how people could make such awful mistakes, but you then find yourself poking about your own business applications, looking for similar design suspects and erasing your name from the change records and source code with that of a long departed and disliked colleague someone once said something about motes and planks, but no-one ever paid much attention when constructing IT departments. -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.niall.litchfield.dial.pipex.com <http://www.niall.litchfield.dial.pipex.com>