Yes Mark, I think you're right. My problem is that I'm trying to create the outline for the original SQL without having to run the app with create_stored_outlines=true system-wide since I don't have anyway to turn it on at a more granular level with this app. But, if I can't find a way to get the hash_value to match from my manual execution outside of the app, that's what I'll do. Thanks, Brandon -----Original Message----- From: Bobak, Mark [mailto:Mark.Bobak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] It's been a while since I did this, but, if I recall correctly, you don't need to match the SQL exactly. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l