Hi Scott,
I vaguely recall that you could actually install the Oracle Client software on
top of an existing ORACLE DB HOME in 10g! In fact, I had to install Pro*Cobol
too :)
Yes, back in 10g all the client software came in a different zip file and you
simply installed them into an existing Oracle RDBMS home.
I have not done any such installation (Pro*Cobol and RDBMS in the same home)
after 10g so cannot comment on that one now.
I think that we also have Pro*C lying around in my new organisation but the
applications do not reside on the Oracle DB Server so we haven’t had to wrestle
with this delima.
Have you logged a call with Oracle Support and what did they say?
Cheers,
Leng.
On 9 May 2019, at 6:28 am, Scott Canaan <srcdco@xxxxxxx> wrote:
That goes back to my original question. When we did this in 10g, client side
stuff was not in the database installation (the pro*COBOL precompiler for
one), so the client was needed as well. It is there now, along with the
client libraries, but I just wanted to make sure that everything they need is
there. That’s a question I have out to the vendor.
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Subject: Re: How to Install Oracle 12 Client in Existing Oracle Home
What feature does the client have that is not already included in the
database installation?
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:19 PM Scott Canaan <srcdco@xxxxxxx
<mailto:srcdco@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
That was what I was told I had to do. I didn’t want to do it, and I’m
actually glad that the installer isn’t letting me do it now. Although I’m
getting pressure to figure out a way to get it done as they don’t want to
change the architecture at this point and the app upgrade is now behind
schedule.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't have the client on the same
server as the database. Putting two different Oracle installations in the
same home is the problem.
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:52 PM Scott Canaan <srcdco@xxxxxxx
<mailto:srcdco@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
I understand all that. We prefer to have them separate, but I lost that
battle years ago.
The (quick) history is this. Several times a year the app would start
running slowly. It would only be fixed by restarting the app server and
bouncing the database. At that point, it was running on old Solaris hardware
and we were in the process of upgrading the app and migrating to Red Hat 7
and much newer servers. We did some analysis and found that the database was
responding very quickly, however the app was sending the same SQL almost a
million times, so it looked like the SQL was taking a long time to run. The
decision was made to co-locate the app and the database (something I don’t
like to do) to “eliminate the network” from the transaction. My belief was
that the move from Solaris to Red Hat would have been enough to solve the
problem as benchmarking that I had done showed that the Red Hat servers were
10 – 20 times faster than the Solaris servers. I was overruled, so I had to
create an Oracle Home that ran the database and also contained all of the
client software so the app could run.
That’s how we got to where we are now. Now we are trying to upgrade from
Oracle 12.1.0.2 to 12.2.0.1 and need a similar configuration. I’d love to go
back to the app server / database server configuration, but those that made
the original decision to co-locate them have said no.
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Installing a client in an existing home puts you in a precarious position at
best with Oracle Support.
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:35 PM Jeff Chirco <backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Our ERP system is done in COBOL. It was a package purchased many years ago
but we own the source code and have completely redone it over the years. It
is a totally custom ERP system. The COBOL developers range from 20-39 years
old, granted they were all hired from within and trained into that position.
However we have begun to work on moving this ERP system into APEX.
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 7:42 AM Michael D O’Shea/Woodward Informatics Ltd
<woodwardinformatics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:woodwardinformatics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I just have to ask, sorry - COBOL? Is there much COBOL there or this is just
one of the remaining remnant applications? And is new COBOL development
ongoing? And the developers, what age range?
I do a lot of contract work in banks and although I’ve heard rumours there is
COBOL in the wild, I have never met one of these developers. Especially
Pro*COBOL.
Decades back I used to develop in Cics and RM/COBOL. As I write, that was
decades back. I have not seen COBOL on the (UK) contract job boards for years
either.
Mike
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 08.05.2019 um 15:31 schrieb Scott Canaan <srcdco@xxxxxxx
<mailto:srcdco@xxxxxxx>>:
I was wondering the same thing. In 12.1.0.2, the Oracle Homes are slightly
different, though. I have to make sure that the Pro*COBOL precompiler is
there, as the application is written in COBOL.
In looking at the inventory on the special Oracle Home that I built in 2016
that includes the client, the comps.xml file is different in that it includes
the client install in addition to the base install.
The problem is that I can’t just take a chance that it will work.
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Perhaps I am mistaken, but isn’t the client already a part of the database
software?
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On May 8, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Scott Canaan <srcdco@xxxxxxx
<mailto:srcdco@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
We have an application that needs to have the Oracle client installed in the
same Oracle Home as the database software. Somehow, I managed to do it with
Oracle 12.1.0.2, but the client installer for Oracle 12.2.0.1 won’t let me.
It says there’s already Oracle software in that home and won’t let me move on.
How do I do this?
This is Oracle 12.2.0.1 on Red Hat 7 Linux.
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