My gut feel too. There is a lot of politics going on and I got a feeling there is a bit of self-promotion there at the expense of real security... Cheers Nuno Souto in sunny Sydney, Australia dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Finnigan" <oracle_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > If your DBA and sysadmin have cracked DES in less than 10 minutes then > they should watch out the security agencies will want to employ them!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------