Re: Extended RAC on SE

  • From: Alfredo Abate <alfredo.abate@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Mark Brinsmead <mark.brinsmead@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:42:39 -0500

Mark,

I understand what you are saying now. Thanks for the clarification!

Alfredo

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Mark Brinsmead <mark.brinsmead@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Unpopulated sockets still count for the purpose of computing the
"capacity" of the cluster.

You only have to purchase licenses for the sockets you populate, but 2
dual-socket blades would reach the capacity limit for a SE cluster,
regardless of how many sockets are actually populated.

This is why many people (including me) consider 2 nodes to be the
practical limit for SE clusters. It is theoretically possible to get to 4
nodes, but terribly difficult to find (server-class) hardware that actually
permits you to do so.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Alfredo Abate <alfredo.abate@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

A dual socket blade can be ordered with only 1 socket populated with a
processor. Does Oracle still consider the empty socket in the licensing
equation?




On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Mark Brinsmead <
mark.brinsmead@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This is true. However, finding single-socket servers can be something
of a challenge.

The example cited seems to work -- unless that 18-core processor is
implemented as a multi-chip-module ;-) -- but the majority of servers these
days are equipped with at least two sockets. You'll also need to make
certain your single socket server has enough network interfaces.

I don't know whether Oracle ever removed the language about multi-chip
modules from the OLSA. If they haven't though, it (still) makes license
management with SE very tricky.


On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As I read it you can 4 nodes,


https://support.oracle.com/epmos/faces/DocumentDisplay?_afrLoop=358910255816631&id=220970.1&_adf.ctrl-state=znnb3zko4_57#A5750

Oracle Database Standard Edition can only be licensed on servers that
have a maximum capacity of 4 sockets. If licensing by Named User Plus, the
minimum is 5 Named User Plus licenses. Oracle Database Standard Edition,
when used with Oracle Real Application Clusters, may only be licensed on a
single cluster of servers supporting up to a total maximum capacity of 4
sockets.

*NOTE: This means that the server capacity must meet the restriction
even if the sockets are empty, since they count towards capacity.*

So if you have 4 single *socket* servers

eg you could have a single 18 core intel 2600 v3 with 512gb of ram in -

http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/1018/SYS-1018R-WC0R.cfm





On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Fernando Andrade <
correo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks @Joe
The answer was in the referenced doc. 220970.1

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Sweetser, Joe <JSweetser@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Check out Doc ID 220970.1 on MOS/metalink (old school J ).



Short answer is yes but there are a few restrictions.



Hth,

-joe





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oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Fernando Andrade
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2015 5:23 PM
*To:* Oracle-L Group <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Extended RAC on SE



Hi I recieved an extrange request for a client.

He wants a extended RAC on SE, I have found this reference googling:

http://isu.ifmo.ru/docs/doc111/license.111/b28287/editions.htm

"Extended or stretch clusters are not supported with Standard
Edition and Oracle RAC. An Extended or stretch cluster is defined as "A
cluster where all nodes are not located in the same room"



I havent found this paragraph in the documentation provided by Oracle
nor in 11.1, 11.2 or 12.1.



Any one with more information? Thanks

FJA

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