Gah! When I went to the same page this morning the screen displays properly!!!
Damn I hate inconsistent issues! ☹
Pete
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf
Of Pete Sharman
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:43 AM
To: christopherdtaylor1994@xxxxxxxxx; 'Courtney Llamas'
<courtney.llamas@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: 'Jeff Chirco' <backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx>; 'Tim Gorman' <tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx>;
'Niall Litchfield' <niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx>; 'Chris Stephens'
<cstephens16@xxxxxxxxx>; 'oracle-l-freelist' <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
Folks
Sorry I haven’t responded. For those of you that know my history, you’d
probably be aware that I have chronic pain issues which raises its ugly head
every so often. It’s not that I’m scared of Courtney, you understand (Well,
all right, it is that really!) 😉
I’ll be looking into all the good suggestions here today I hope, and will get
back to people.
Pete
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<oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On
Behalf Of Chris Taylor
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 10:02 AM
To: Courtney Llamas <courtney.llamas@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:courtney.llamas@xxxxxxxxxx> >
Cc: Jeff Chirco <backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx> >; Tim
Gorman <tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx> >; Niall Litchfield
<niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx> >; Chris
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Subject: Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
If this was Reddit, I'd gold you lol
Chris
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 5:39 PM Courtney Llamas <courtney.llamas@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:courtney.llamas@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jeff – that is inaccurate. Again, speculation and rumors.
Please contact me offline if you have any concerns. I’m not entertaining this
discussion any longer on the mail list.
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From: Jeff Chirco <backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:36 PM
To: Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx> >
Cc: Niall Litchfield <niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx> >; Courtney Llamas
<courtney.llamas@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:courtney.llamas@xxxxxxxxxx> >; Chris
Stephens <cstephens16@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:cstephens16@xxxxxxxxx> >;
peter.sharman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:peter.sharman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
oracle-l-freelist <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
Wait did I miss some news update? Are you saying that there is currently not a
development team for Enterprise Manager? I use EM Cloud Control 13c for my
on-prem databases.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
I recall Larry responding to an audience question several OOW's ago: "Are you
planning to buy the San Francisco 49ers (US football team)?" Larry paused,
leaned forward to the microphone, and responded, "In order to be buyer, there
has to be a seller".
In order for there to be a new release, there has to be a development team.
On 11/14/18 08:32, niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There was a new release in July this year!
I get that the positioning from Oracle is unclear, but that seems a stretch,
especially as there's no sign of the management cloud acquiring complete db
management capabilities on-premises for example
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 3:30 PM Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Courtney,
Thank you so much for your carefully written response, but the statement "EM is
not going anywhere" has many facets.
I think what is being asked (and to which we accept that you cannot and should
not respond in this forum) is that nobody should be expecting future releases
of EM.
Thanks!
-Tim
On 11/14/18 06:55, Courtney Llamas wrote:
Pete stop spreading vicious rumors ;) EM is not going anywhere, just not
the focus for Cloud deployments. Folks with on-premises db’s can use either
OEM or OMC, or a combination of the two.
Send me the SR and I’ll have someone look into it ;)
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Oracle Strategic Customer Program
Oracle
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<http://www.oracle.com/> From: Chris Stephens <cstephens16@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:50 AM
To: peter.sharman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx>; oracle-l <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
<http://www.oracle.com/>
<http://www.oracle.com/> this is the second oracle-l thread where the future
of EM has been questioned. is the product going away in the future? will it be
replaced by something else for shops that run their own databases?
<http://www.oracle.com/>
<http://www.oracle.com/>
<http://www.oracle.com/> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 6:03 PM
<peter.sharman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<http://www.oracle.com/> Looking at other options is not on the table, Tim.
<http://www.oracle.com/>
<http://www.oracle.com/> I make no comment about EOL for EM. :(
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<http://www.oracle.com/> Pete
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<http://www.oracle.com/> Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling
question
In the end, all products are EOL, but some are closer to EOL than others.
With masking options from Informatica, IBM, Delphix, Red Gate, Dataveil, and
others to choose from, each of which mask data across most all relational
database platforms, as well as documents, it seems short-sighted to invest
licensing money, time, and effort on masking one island of information within
Oracle one way, and masking all other database platforms using other methods.
Because all confidential data in non-prod needs to be masked, not just Oracle.
Full disclosure: I work for Delphix, and we do data masking at-rest across
almost all databases and documents, including mainframe.
In the past 4+ years, I have only once come up against data masking using the
Oracle EM pack. This company disliked their experiences masking with the
Oracle pack because it generated complex SQL and PL/SQL to perform the masking
within the database engine. Masking algorithms are computationally intensive
(i.e. encryption, hashing, list-processing, etc) and thus difficult to optimize
in generated SQL and PL/SQL, performing poorly as they chew up CPU expensively
licensed for database. When you charge as much as Oracle does based on CPU,
you don't want that CPU doing anything but database workload.
By contrast, each and all of the other data masking packages retrieve arrays of
rows to an appserver, mask them in the appserver (typically a generic Linux
server), then either insert them forward or update them back using ROWID, less
reliance on the Oracle optimizer, and employing less expensive CPU for the
computationally-intense masking workload, conserving the expensive database
licensed CPUs for database workload.
So when your customers regroup to mask across the enterprise instead of an
island of Oracle, any of these masking vendors will be happy to solve that.
Especially down under, on that super big island y'all have... :)
<http://www.oracle.com/> On 11/13/18 14:36, peter.sharman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
<http://www.oracle.com/> Yes, I know, it’s unlike me to be asking a question
on EM instead of answering one. 😊
<http://www.oracle.com/> This is one I’ve never seen before. I’ve been
setting up Data Masking for a customer and we have a couple of different ADMs.
Previously, the Referential Relationships screen showed no records, as the
referential integrity is not defined in the database (not ideal, but that's how
it is). But now the screen is completely blank - no buttons, no screen saying
no records found, nothing. Anyone seen anything like that before? Restarting
the OMS didn't have any impact. Logged an SR, but no response on it yet and
the customer really wants to see some progress so trying all avenues to move
this forward.
<http://www.oracle.com/> EM 13.2 vanilla.
<http://www.oracle.com/> Thanks
<http://www.oracle.com/> Pete
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