RE: "Dual-Core" CPUs & the future of software licensing

  • From: "Marquez, Chris" <cmarquez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "Goulet, Dick" <DGoulet@xxxxxxxx>, <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:14:54 -0400

Good comments...I agree with you in concept, but do think you "desired" prices 
are a bit low.
And I do think Oracle is closer or getting close to that price point, but not 
with the full featured version or CPU restrictions.  Maybe and probably Oracle 
could make their low entry SEO option initial acquisition price even less.  
Again, remember that after yr 1 Oracle Support & Maintenance renewal is looking 
very good for the "small fry", even compared to Support  from Open Source 

And the truth is that this hardware is not so "small fry" can do a ton 
more with 1 or 2 CPU now a days...even the "big frys" buy the cheap hardware 
and run it hard!

>>$1000 Dell Server
Impossible from the "a la carte" hardware vendor!
Talk about


-----Original Message-----
From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:DGoulet@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Mon 5/9/2005 3:19 PM
To: Marquez, Chris; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: "Dual-Core" CPUs & the future of software licensing
    Fair question, what do I mean by "small fry".  Well I define small
fry as those companies with less than 10K employees and/or under $100M
in sales per year.  There are a lot of the mom & pop shops in that ocean
including some that many people don't consider "small", but when profits
are less than 20% of gross a large server and database engine purchase
get a lot of attention.  What would I like Oracle to sell for, under the
cost of the server it's running on.  So Yes if you can afford a $200M HP
SuperDome you can afford a $100M Oracle license.  But when your buying
$3K Intel servers then you should not be paying more that $1500 for an
Oracle license or on a $1000 Del Server should not cost you more than
$500.  And I would include Enterprise quality features in that.  That
use to be the pricing model back 15 years or so ago & I thought it was
fair.  The current model I think hits more at the larger companies at
the expense of the smaller fry that could one day grow into a whale &
then afford the heavier price.  A lot of this gets back to Larry
Ellison's statements on site licensing.  I believe one of his theories
was that a site license would be priced on revenue of the purchasing
company.  Obviously the higher your profit the more service your getting
out of the database, or so the theory went.  I'm sure there are some on
the list who will disagree.  The other alternative, championed by MySql
is a constant db price tag which isn't a bad model either.  You make a
small profit on each sale, but make a lot of sales vs. Oracle's model in
which you make a lot on each sale but fewer sales.
Yes Walt, I may not like MySql, but I'll give them there due where they
are smarter.  BTW: We've a MySql DB here today, on a demo spam filter
appliance, that appears to have trashed itself on startup.  Rather odd
too in that it said it "started normally".

From: Marquez, Chris [mailto:cmarquez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:48 AM
To: Goulet, Dick; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: "Dual-Core" CPUs & the future of software licensing

>>A cpu = a core
So a "dual-core" = two CPU?
And Oracle says
This is going to be a problem for many.

>>Uncle Larry seems more interested in the big dollar
>>items leaving the small fry to other vendors.

Couldn't disagree more.
I would a agree as one said in another thread that Oracle missed the
"small fry" boat, but that boat can be turned around and has been for a
while now.  Money talks and many want to ignore that Oracle can be
licensed for about $800 for 5 user license.  Please don't come back and
tell me that thats only two CPU, and only 5 users, and only, and
only....Or if you must, please define "small fry" both server and
company size...everyone will have different definitions.

Again, Dell is pre-configuring 1 and 2 CPU boxes with Oracle installed
and you pay for it all through Dell...Dell it not doing this alone and
Oracle knows that Dell is the biggest "Small Fry" vendor...why is this
continually ignored...confuses me?

Finally what is your take on Standard Edition it not real?  Is
it not true? Can it not be purchased?

How cheep does Oracle have to be for you all to consider it a "Small
Fry" specific...and please don't say you want Oracle for $5k
for your million dallor IBM-Regatta, your Sun-E1000, or your
HP-SupperDome attached to your million dallor SAN/NAS...I don't want to
hear it.

I think in my future post I will just include links and quotes for
current SEO pricing...many of you seem not to be able to find it.



-----Original Message-----
From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:DGoulet@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Mon 5/9/2005 10:14 AM
To: Marquez, Chris; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: "Dual-Core" CPUs & the future of software licensing

Oracle has already weighed in on the subject.  A cpu = a core.  I've a
feeling this will come back to bite them.  BTW: In a different thread
others on the list have complained about Oracle "missing opportunities
that others have taken" namely MySql, FireBird, Sql*Server etc...  Well
I agree Uncle Larry seems  more interested in the big dollar items
leaving the small fry to other vendors.  Problem is that there are only
so many whales in the sea & a LOT more small fry.

-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marquez, Chris
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:07 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: "Dual-Core" CPUs & the future of software licensing

Not just and Oracle Licensing issue...this effects many vendors.
>>"Multicore chips place two or more CPUs on a single piece of

I'm not a huge hardware guy, but on the Enterprise side of things...I
have worked with Oracle/IBM at three clients now.
If I'm not mistaken hasn't IBM but doing the "more than two cores on the
die" for a while now!?...Far as I know, NO software vendor has made
stink about IBM "Dual-Core" processors?

Your thoughts?
AMD Demos Dual-Core Athlon 64   Feb. 23, 2005
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By Alexander Wolfe
Intel To Unveil Dual-Core Pentiums On Monday   April 15, 2005          
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By Alexander Wolfe

Chris Marquez
Oracle DBA



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