Hi Paul, The error I got was when issuing the startup upgrade command (Step 29): SQL> startup upgrade pfile=/oracle/mds/admin/pfile/initmdsdb.ora ORACLE instance started. Total System Global Area 1258291200 bytes Fixed Size 1978336 bytes Variable Size 369102880 bytes Database Buffers 872415232 bytes Redo Buffers 14794752 bytes ORA-12709: error while loading create database character set I don't know how this has anything to do with the sga but I've gotten enough oracle error messages that didn't have anything to do with the actual error that I'm willing to consider it as a possibility. Thanks, Jay Miller Sr. Oracle DBA x68355 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Drake [mailto:bdbafh@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 6:24 PM To: Miller, Jay Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Does sga_target not work for 10.2 upgrade or is Oracle Support cl ueless? On 9/12/05, JayMiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:JayMiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <JayMiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:JayMiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: I'm having problems upgrading a dev database from 10.1 to 10.2 (the first time I've tried this). After opening a Tar the support tech said I obviously didn't follow directions since I didn't set SHARED_POOL_SIZE, LARGE_POOL_SIZE, or JAVA_POOL_SIZE as it said in the documentation. I had purposely not set them as I had created this database using sga_target instead. So do I actually need to go back to the old parameters to do the upgrade and then go back to sga_target after completing it? Has anyone upgraded 10.1 to 10.2 using sga_target? This is 64-bit Solaris, Oracle 10.1.0.4 <http://10.1.0.4> to 10.2.0.1 <http://10.2.0.1> . Thanks, Jay Miller Sr. Oracle DBA x68355 ----------------------------------------- This message is confidential and sent by TD Waterhouse solely for use by the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. This should not be deemed as an offer or solicitation, to buy or sell any product. Any 3rd party information contained herein was prepared by sources deemed reliable, but is not guaranteed. TD Waterhouse does not accept electronic instructions that would require an original signature. Information received by or sent from TD Waterhouse is stored, subject to review, and may be produced to regulatory authorities or others with a legal right to such. http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/server.102/b14238.pdf <http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/server.102/b14238.pdf> Jay, Where are you receiving the error - in executing the pre-upgrade script "utlu102i.sql" ? (page 3-4 of b14238.pdf - Oracle(r) Database Upgrade Guide 10g Release 2 (10.2) B14238-01) Using dbma? I have used sga_target during application of the 10.1.0.4 <http://10.1.0.4> patchset on win32 without error. I have not yet upgraded any databases from 10.1.0.x to 10.2.0.1 <http://10.2.0.1> . Paul ********************************************************************** Update Parameters: [Update Oracle Database 10.2 init.ora or spfile] ********************************************************************** WARNING: --> "shared_pool_size" needs to be increased to at least 178499994 WARNING: --> "java_pool_size" needs to be increased to at least 67108864 WARNING: --> "streams_pool_size" is not currently defined and needs a value of at least 50331648 WARNING: --> "session_max_open_files" needs to be increased to at least 20