Yes, the database console is still useful w/o any of the packs, but you will definitely lose a lot of functionality. For example, like Paul alluded too - the entire "Performance" tab/page is greyed-out if you deselect the Diagnostics Pack (to do this - click Setup in the top-right corner, then click Management Pack Access on the left menu; you can toggle access to the packs at anytime). This is a good way to see exactly what you gain/lose with/out the packs. Also keep in mind that it's NOT only the DB Console access you lose w/o licensing the Diagnostics Pack, but you also lose access to the views and packages, i.e. you aren't even allowed to SELECT from the dba_hist_* v$active_session_history views. This is all covered in the documentation here: http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/em.102/b16241/Manageme nt_Pack_Access.htm and here: http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/license.102/b14199/opt ions.htm#CIHGFIAF ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Baumgartel, Paul You can use Database Control without licensing the packs, but, as it was explained to me, you venture into Packs territory pretty much the minute you start to drill down on any of the performance/diagnostic/configuration links, so as a practical matter it's difficult to do. I think the manual on licensing gives the details. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.