Yes, that is an offset, but that doesn't mean that only offsets are used in your TSTZ columns (if you have any). If you're on 9.2, then you don't need to worry about the patches unless you're using TSTZ/TSLTZ columns in your app's schema/code somewhere, or plan to do so in the future. If you are using TSTZ/TSLTZ, then read all the notes, download the patch and run the utlzuv2.sql script after manually adding the 9 new timezones to your timezdif.csf file (see my previous posts for more detail on this). Yes, lots of us have dealt with this - please review all the Metalink Notes and archives of this list and then let us know if you still have any specific questions. -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Smith Has anybody dealt with this yet? Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l