RE: Combo Oracle/SQLServer enterprise DBA Salary Info anywhere (or willing to share a range) ?
- From: <Joel.Patterson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <robertgfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>, <ChrisDavid.Taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mark.powell2@xxxxxx>, <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:32:57 -0400
How about the hiring the consultant / oursource over a FTE because the money
comes out of a 'different bucket'? This 'bucket' has tax benefits 'somehow'
that make it practical to the company.
This level of accounting is to high falutin for me, and when you mix it with
taxes/benefits and the like, (like the consultant leaves, and 9 of 10 another
will need to come up to speed), it becomes as wonderful a puzzle as say
particle physics, or better, quantum computing.
Anyway, I stand a much better chance with quantum computing.
Joel Patterson
Database Administrator
904 727-2546
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Combo Oracle/SQLServer enterprise DBA Salary Info anywhere (or
willing to share a range) ?
So, I've hired people into positions like the one you are talking about. People
with Oracle and SQL Server skills. I can tell you that those I hired with those
skill sets, with some significant experience (7 years +) came in the low 100k
range. I'd expect more experience (say 15-20 years) would come in at around the
low to mid 100's depending on a number of factors. It's just a potent skill set
and when combined with significant experience is very powerful. If you have the
experience component, then don't sell yourself short. If you are negotiating
with a company you already work for, you have a very powerful lever in your
negotiating tool kit that you might want to pull out and use. That is to remind
them of how much it will cost them to have to replace you. Recruiting is a very
expensive process, and the results are never for sure. It's often far cheaper
to throw a few extra thousand to a known quantity than to risk having to go out
and hire.
When considering salary it's more than just about the average, or the range
that you need to be concerned about. Considerations for salary should include:
1. Cost of living. It's far cheaper to live in Oklahoma than New York. Your
salary needs to be commiserate with your locale.
2. Benefits.
What to they pay towards your health care? This can make a several hundred
dollar a month difference and several thousand a year.
What do they match on a 401k? For example, if you make 100k and you contribute
6% to a 401k and the company matches dollar for dollar, then that's worth an
extra 6 grand a year. So I'd rather take job for 100k and 6% 401k money, than
one for 105k a year and no 401k money. Also, do they have a retirement plan.
Vacation? What are the vacation benefits? Leave of absence, sickness,
disability benefits.
Work from home sometimes or always trudge to the office? Travel?
3. Environment... Who are the people you will be working with. Even small
things like a cafeteria and the cost of the food there can be a consideration.
Eating nicely at a cafeteria for $5 as opposed to eating lunch out at say $8 a
day is worth about $750 a year. Sure, you can bring your lunch and save more...
4. Who will you be working with? As you are looking at being the Solo guy, your
value should be greater. You won't have a team to collaborate with, so you will
be spending more time doing outside research on issues, problems and the like.
In my mind, who you will be working with is really a big consideration when I
take a job.
5. What will you be doing? On-call, after hours, 24/7/365, just DBA, DBA and
Sysadm, SAN Admin? What will you be doing. The more hats you wear, the more you
should expect.
6. What is the market like in your area? Lots of companies base their salary
ranges on local salaries and are fairly in-flexible. I've found this
one-size-fits-all approach to HR maddening when I've tried to hire the best of
the best. My approach to having a great team is to hire great people, all of
them smarter than I am (which isn't hard). HR seems to be disconnected to the
realities of the benefits of hiring the best people for the job and instead get
entrenched in this archaic salary bucket mentality. In my mind, this is a
marketplace. I have skills of varying degrees of benefit to a company that are
worth a market price. If a short sighted HR department isn't going to recognize
the market realities (or they simply are not going to care) then I'm going
elsewhere (assuming I'm correct in my interpretation of the market price for my
skills). As a result companies often loose out on the best talent and that
talent goes into consulting, and the company
hires the consulting company and that resource ends up at the company anyway.
I've SEEN this happen and it just makes me shake my head. We could have had the
guy at $40 an hour as a FTE and instead we are paying $65 an hour to some
company and when he leaves all that body of knowledge will leave with him.
Ridiculous in my opinion.
Robert G. Freeman
Master Principal Consultant, Oracle Corporation, Oracle ACE
Author of various books on RMAN, New Features and this shorter signature line.
Blog: http://robertgfreeman.blogspot.com
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From: "Taylor, Chris David" <ChrisDavid.Taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'mark.powell2@xxxxxx'" <mark.powell2@xxxxxx>; "'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'"
<oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: Combo Oracle/SQLServer enterprise DBA Salary Info anywhere (or
willing to share a range) ?
Thanks Mark.
Chris
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Behalf Of Powell, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Combo Oracle/SQLServer enterprise DBA Salary Info anywhere (or
willing to share a range) ?
Both Information Week and Computer World compile and publish annual IT salary
lists.
With Information Week I think you have to take part in the survey to get a copy
of the results.
Computer World published theirs in the April 4, 2011 edition.
Database Administrator avg $86,808. No information given on range,
experience, or product in the published article.
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Taylor, Chris David
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:23 AM
To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Combo Oracle/SQLServer enterprise DBA Salary Info anywhere (or willing
to share a range) ?
Anyone have a link to salary info for a combination for combo Oracle and SQL
Server DBA? Or, might be willing to share a salary range (with me, not the
list) if you are responsible for both? :) Looks like my job is changing in that
I am _the_ database administrator moving forward with someone who can backfill
as needed except in emergencies.
Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
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