Another option ... Add the department, assigning an existing employee as manager. Add the new employee to the newly created department. Update the new department, assigning the new employee as manager. Thanks, Jon Knight -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Moore Sent: Viernes, 04 de Noviembre de 2005 11:03 a.m. To: Michael.Coll-Barth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Circular FK's If the column allows nulls, then Add department with null for the manager Add employee Update department with employee as manager commit; > > What do you do when you have a new department that will be headed by a new > employee? > > -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l ----------------------------------------- The information in this message may be proprietary and/or confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify First Data immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l