RE: Capacity Planner from OEM VS Statspack
- From: "Freeman, Donald" <dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:35:26 -0500
I find your posting very helpful. I memorized a lot of "what's" and =
"how's" when learning Oracle but I
know that's pretty useless until you also know "when" and "why." Your =
post cleared that up a little bit=20
while also giving a good insight into "managing management." Kudos!
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:54 PM
To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: Capacity Planner from OEM VS Statspack
I agree with Babette. I have had some situations where the database =
"hung".
If you are the only DBA, things get hairy fast. Phone ringing off the =
hook,
people standing around your desk asking questions like "should we bounce
Oracle?". Metalink has a nice note on hanging, by the way. You don't =
know
how long the situation will continue. Will it clear up by itself in a =
few
minutes, or should you just bounce the database so everyone can get back =
to
work? Usually you can't diagnose the problem on the spot. I found GUI =
tools
poor in this situation because the GUI itself gets really slow and now
you're ignoring your bosses to peer into your screen.
Yes, if the problem recurs often enough, a 10046 trace may be great. =
But
your goal is to diagnose the problem without having the problem recur. =
All
your system queries are returning really slowly so figuring out which
process is at fault (if it is only one) takes an excruciating amount of =
time
under pressure because the queries return realllllly slooooly.
I found STATSPACK great in the database hanging situation. You just =
take
a snapshot, calm the people for 5 minutes, then take another snapshot. =
When
people ask whether the database should be bounced, you can reply that =
you
want to take another snapshot in 5 minutes and if the situation hasn't
cleared by then, we'll bounce it. By default STATSPACK will collect =
enough
information to allow you to drill into the situation and diagnose the
problem.=20
Nothing irritates management like saying "I don't know why the =
situation
occurred, I couldn't collect enough information to diagnose the problem =
and
prevent it from recurring".
Oh, one correction for Babette -- I would say 4 things: CPU, disk,
network, and memory.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:33 PM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Capacity Planner from OEM VS Statspack
Babette,
Have you done a 10046 trace on this?
Jared
<babette.turnerunderwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent by: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
02/05/2004 11:47 AM
Please respond to oracle-l
=20
To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
cc:=20
Subject: RE: Capacity Planner from OEM VS Statspack
It is worse than that .....
EVERYONE has noticed that at times the performance is abysmally slow.
BUT according to all of the mainframe reporting information=3D20
Everything is fine... No swapping, no paging, no disk bottleneck, no =3D
memory problems, no CPU problems.....
For instance, full tablescan (no indexes) to update a NULL column to =3D
NULL
on 1 Million rows. Can take up to three times as long at times.
BUT System people insist there is nothing being pushed at the system =3D
level.
The CPU is not maxed out, the disks have no bottlenecks or contention =
=3D
and there are no memory problems at this time.
There are only three things, CPU, DISK, Network.
There has to be something wrong with at least one of them to be getting =
=3D
the weird sporadic performance that we get.
It is hard to get overall picture of health of machine in MF =3D
environment.
We have Logical machines (LPARs) on a single physical box.
I know that I/O on other LPARs can affect our I/O, but we are told that =
=3D
there are no problems according to the system records.
The statspack information is a bonus. We have SOMETHING that we can say =
=3D
"explain this". Still waiting on explanation for a few weeks now...
Babette
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Niall Litchfield
Sent: 2004-02-03 3:21 PM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Capacity Planner from OEM VS Statspack
> I agree with Ian.... Sometimes Statspack is VERY useful..
>=3D3D20
> In our case the Statspack reports shows ave read times of=3D3D20
> 1-10ms. However we occasionally see read times of 300-700 ms.
>=3D3D20
> We are currently investigating what is on the slower disks,=3D3D20
> What systems are sharing them, and whether oracle is=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> chaining I/O requests and giving false stats or if there=3D3D20
> really is a =3D3D3D problem. (Hey, on OS/390 mainframe system =
we=3D3D20
> don't get iostat / sar / vmstat / =3D3D3D
> top)
>=3D3D20
> This top-down approach doesn't address any SPECIFIC=3D3D20
> performance proble. BUT ... if we didn't have Statspack=3D3D20
> running periodically, we might have =3D3D3D missed this.
>=3D3D20
> - Babette
I think the interesting question here is 'If you had missed this, would
anyone care?' and its corollary 'now you have caught it, does anyone =
=3D3D
care?'.
Now I admit that I have a biased view in that all anyone ever seems to
complain to me about is 'Screen X is running slow' or 'we can't complete =
=3D
=3D3D
our
management reports overnight' or 'I'm not a dba so your presentation on
managing databases that I chose to attend was irrelevant' - oops sorry =
=3D
=3D3D
not
that last one. Almost never does anyone whinge that 'the system is =3D3D
slow', or
at least when they do they have a specific example in mind. As a result =
=3D
=3D3D
I am
definitely biased towards a view that systems don't experience problems =
=3D
=3D3D
-
processes do. I *suspect* that even where the *system* is slow then =
=3D3D
actually
it will be fewer than 5 processes that are killing it, but have no =3D3D
proof.=3D3D20
Niall
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