I've a largish table (24 GB) with a long column. I'd like to convert it to a varchar2 (easier to use than a CLOB) as I believe that the data stored in the long isn't actually very long. However I don't know of an easy way (I could use Perl/Python/PLSQL etc and select the col in every row and do a length of the resulting strings) to calculate the max size for the long col given I can't use vsize 'cos it's a long of course. Any ideas? BTW it's 8.1.7 on HP Thanks, Chris Dunscombe www.christallize.com -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l