RE: CEO's head in the Cloud
- From: "Matthew Zito" <mzito@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mark.powell2@xxxxxx>, "oracle-l" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:01:54 -0400
As Jeremiah puts it in another email, there really is no dependence on
specific versions of software - Oracle is just trying to make it easy
for you to test Oracle on EC2.
As far as outsourcing vs. cloud vs. insourcing - I do know a number of
people who are very happy with their EDS/Perot Systems (now Dell)/IBM GS
managed facility. I also know roughly the same number who found it was
a complete waste of money and insourced as soon as they could.
I think the success of any of these strategies - in-house, outsourced,
cloud, some combination of the three - depends on the organizational
makeup, maturity, and how they like to structure their costs.
For example, I have several customers that try to own as little hardware
as possible, as they don't want an asset on their books to depreciate,
so they use EC2 as a way to take that cost from a CapEx to an OpEx
expense (I'm not enough of an accountant to weigh on the sensibility of
this).
In addition, consider at a minimum the dev/test scenarios something like
EC2 offers. Need an environment to dry run your 10gR2->11gR2 upgrade?
Spin up a box, test, spin it back down - only pay for a few hours of
runtime. Want to give a developer a sandbox environment for a week?
Spin it up, let them use it, spin it back down. One week of cost.
Matt
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[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Powell, Mark
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:42 AM
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Subject: RE: CEO's head in the Cloud
If you have to give up control of what versions of software you run then
I do not see how you could even consider making such a migration. The
'cloud' is just another IT buzzword for give us your money.
Outsourcing your data center is fine. EDS, now HP Enterprise Services,
did a great job managing user data centers either located in house or in
one of EDS's data centers for people. But the software that was run and
the versions of said software were pretty much under user control.
The data center should be customized to the customer rather than the
customer having to conform to the vendor offering.
Just my opinion.
-----Original Message-----
From: D'Hooge Freek [mailto:Freek.DHooge@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:14 AM
To: moabrivers@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l
Subject: RE: CEO's head in the Cloud
hmmm, don't know what you store in your databases, but one possible
remark that can end your manager dreams is to ask about the possible
legislation and certification (eg sox) issues
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Sent: 02 June 2010 23:12
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Subject: CEO's head in the Cloud
My CEO just came back from a technology conference where his head became
filled with lots of ideas including the idea that we should abandon our
hosted datacenters and push everything into the Cloud, specifically
Amazon's. A cursory review of the offerings for this show that the
databases are hosted on Amazon virtual machines that aren't officially
supported by Oracle and thus require a premium support contract from
Amazon.
Aside from my personal feelings on the matter (that I'd much rather have
a tangible set of servers that are under direct control), what are your
pros/cons for pushing or not Production level OLTP databases into the
cloud. I notice right now that they currently only offer 11g1 on 64-bit
an not 10g 64-bit or 11g2 64-bit so it would appear they arent covering
all of their bases. Presently we're RAC on 10.2.0.4 64 bit and use
dataguard to a different datacenter for geographic redundancy. I note
also that Amazon doesnt support RAC instances at present.
His driving push is that somehow Amazon's cloud will mean better
performance throughout the world as somehow the network throughput will
be magically enhanced so someone in Iraq will get the same speed hitting
the application as someone in California. I don't agree with that
either but I dont have empirical proof. Our databases presently are
highly available, highly optimized, and highly redundant. But, they
aren't buzz word stamped "Cloud." Sigh.
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