RE: Background Checks for DBAs
- To: <Andrew.Kerber@xxxxxxx>, <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <cemail_219@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:40:58 -0500
Perhaps -- optimist. It doesn't appear they cannot do it, indeed it
seems that the reason they were doing it was for a reasonable business
need -- therefore all they have to do is come up with one.
But it does appear to be fuzzy in that I imagine that all the paperwork
is being done on the employees off time since most of the background
material is at home... Certainly the employee ought to be able to use
company time, and probably the last set of paperwork as a basis -- then
again... if so, it doesn't stop the schedules and the overtime may come
in anyway upon meeting them.
Oh well, I'm not sure we are helping him, but it is opening up a dialog
about it. As to his question, I have not had to do that type of thing
during my employ thus far.
I also do not believe most companies do many of these things -- due
mostly to cost however, not will, or maybe to make a better working
environment. Even if they did, it probably would only be used in
extreme cases. Standard operating procedure nowadays I believe is to
monitor internet, and email -- again for liability at least. Ever hear
of email's being subpoenaed? I think they have to save them. Cameras
are almost everywhere public, and at least at most large company
entrances.
Oh well... there is always a reason for doing anything. The point is
that corporations are unlike society, and really do have carte blanche
freedom to claim reasonable business needs.
Joel Patterson
Database Administrator
joel.patterson@xxxxxxxxxxx
x72546
904 727-2546
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From: Kerber, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Kerber@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:20 PM
To: Patterson, Joel; ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; cemail_219@xxxxxxxxxxx;
oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Background Checks for DBAs
Its not as bad as all that. The laws have tightened somewhat, and the
company has to have a reasonable business need for a lot of those
conditions. That being said, his company should have the basic
background checks already done, and it should be his company (not the
individual employees) responsibility to take care of all the paper work
for any additional background checks the companies may require. I would
think the HR department would be in charge of all that. A lot of these
requirements come from the more extreme interpretations of
Sarbanes-Oxley (thank you, guys) on tightening up security. Of course,
the law as written doesn't specifically require a lot of the stuff being
done in the name of Sox, but in todays litigious society, many companies
choose to error on the side of extremism rather than risk a potential
lawsuit. Drug testing is standard, and insurance/liability is normally
the reason.
Andrew W. Kerber
Oracle DBA
UMB
"If at first you dont succeed, dont take up skydiving"
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[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:36 AM
To: ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; cemail_219@xxxxxxxxxxx;
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Subject: RE: Background Checks for DBAs
I'm thinking it would be a surprise if you had recourse except the
choice to leave -- a lawyer could tell you if you stood a chance in
*(&_. -- and much of that might depend upon whether this tidbit was
buried in documents you may have received upon hire or later.
The corporation essentially is an environment where you do not have
rights. You have the right to apply for employment -- I hope they
disclosed this tidbit during the hiring process -- and indeed would not
be surprised if the little tidbit was buried in some paragraph
somewhere.
In a corporation, you can be recorded anywhere -- even in the
bathroom... even in a department store as far as I know... about the
only restriction is putting a camera in the stall... for example. Your
email can be (and is) recorded -- (I think by law now). Your keystokes
could be recorded if they wanted. Your phone can be recorded, your
internet recorded and monitored. Drug testing.
Get the picture. You want the job, you take it. You want another
job, you should get it before you quit. This would make it part of
'working conditions' verses 'compensation' that the company provide in
competition with other companies -- that you are willing to accept - or
not.
But legally, I couldn't tell you if it is mandatory. I would seek a
lawyer, but with the caveat that in some states, like FL, it is a right
to work state -- meaning that you can be let go for any reason at any
time.
Corporations have more control on your life than China does on it's
citizens. They are actually trying to control what you do off the job
-- in some cases in the name of insurance, like smoking, and the list
goes on.
Joel Patterson
Database Administrator
joel.patterson@xxxxxxxxxxx
x72546
904 727-2546
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of MacGregor, Ian A.
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:59 AM
To: cemail_219@xxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Background Checks for DBAs
There are many places where background checks are becoming more common.
The access to information by DBA's at credit card companies and other
such entities can lure folks with criminal intent. I want these people
well-vetted. Not all information which needs to be protected is a
matter of national security. There is a great effort these days to
protect, PII, Personally Identifiable Information. There is a
likelihood that DBA's with access to this information working in
government, or FOR a government contractor will require NACI's, National
Agency Checks (with Interrogatories?) -- the "Are you now or have you
ever been?" type questions. This same scrutiny is used to grant secret
clearances, i.e. access to information, the release of which could cause
grave danger to national security.
Of course the customers wants to do their own checks. Why should they
trust your company to do them? I'm surprised, however, that there isn't
a third trusted company which could say that you are already vetted.
The information is not such that each company needs to see the
investigation files.
As far as privacy is concerned. You definitely have the right to refuse
the investigation or to provide none of the requested information. The
customer has the right however to take his business elsewhere.
Most information theft is by People who have legitimate access.
Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of J. Dex
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:13 PM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Background Checks for DBAs
Does anybody work in a Data Center type of environment which houses
databases for multiple/various clients (both government and private
companies)? How are background checks handled? The reason that I ask
is
that everytime we acquire a new client, the new client is putting us
through
yet another background check. These are not Security Clearances. They
are
either Certificate of Public Trusts or general background checks. Our
company isn't doing the background check, it is the client themselves.
It
is becoming ridiculous and we really don't want to keep giving out our
SSN
numbers to multiple companies, etc. Our company wants us to be able to
cover any of the databases at any time so they are making us go through
the
checks each time. I am not sure if there are any Right to Privacy laws
that
prevent the employer from forcing us to do this and I am wondering if
any
other DBAs on the list are subjected to this.
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