Re: Am I the only one who finds this offensive?
- From: Mladen Gogala <mgogala@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:00:02 -0500
OK, I apologized and I thought that should be the end of this,
but now when you ask, I am of Jewish descent and I my grandfather
lost a brother in WWII, which would, I imagine, be my relative had I
ever known him. Being born in 1961, I was very fortunate indeed not to
experience either WWII or the holocaust. When I used that phrase
(a very stupid thing, indeed, I admit), I used it to signify strict
and brutal discipline, not killing of any kind. I am a person of an
extremely liberal persuasion and anybody who knows me would find an
idea of me spreading a Nazi propaganda completely and utterly ridiculous.
Once again, I apologize to anyone whom I might have offended and
let me assure you that nobody could condemn Nazi atrocities more strongly
then myself. I am coming from Europe and my sense of humor is formed
accordingly. For instance, I found the "unrehearsed wardrobe malfunction"
during the super-bowl game funny and not at all disconcerting or disturbing.
I saw few equally serious crimes against fashion today on the train and yet
nobody was paying any attention. So, please, let's leave this topic behind
us. I didn't want to offend anybody, I do have a sense of humor that
obviously needs some more work and I hope that would be the end of this
unfortunate debate. Paul, what exactly is the point of this prolonged
debate? If you want me to admit that I blurted out a very stupid thing
indeed, I'll gladly accommodate you.
On 03/24/2004 10:04:47 PM, Paul Baumgartel wrote:
> With all respect, Mogens, I'm assuming that neither you nor Mladen
> experienced the Nazi occupation, having been born after World War II.
> No offense may have been intended, but in my opinion, the post revealed
> extremely poor judgement and a great deal of insensitivity.
>
> Paul
> --- Mogens_N?rgaard <mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Both Mladen and I are from countries that had the pleasure of real
> > German occupation. Not that it can be compared in any way to the
> > sufferings of the Jews, Gypsies and other groups during the war, but
> > that's the history we both grew up with. No offense was intended from
> >
> > Mladen, except of course to the developers of the world :).
> >
> > Mogens
> >
> > Paul Baumgartel wrote:
> >
> > > I've not been paying a whole lot of attention to the list today,
> > but I
> > > just ran across this:
> > >
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Mladen Gogala <mladen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Mar 22, 2004 9:31 AM
> > >>To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Subject: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> > >>
> > >>Yes, that's true. One thing to remember when talking about
> > developers
> > >>is that work liberates, or in German: "Arbeit Macht Frei". Good
> > >>organization is the final solution of the developer problem. Of
> > >>course, I'm a DBA, in case anyone had any doubts.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Making jokes about concentration camps and the Holocaust is really
> > > going too far, IMO.
> > >
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