Re: About restore from 11g

  • From: Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx, oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 00:37:28 -0400

Hi Tim,
We're not talking about licensing, we're talking about support charges. And they cannot charge for something they don't provide: support for instance. It is possible to cancel support contract and no longer pay for support. The CSI# gets invalid and there is no support for the installed software. No more bug fixes or technical support requests. The license is still valid. However, with instance, it is no longer possible to get support without a special contract. So why should the customer pay for support, especially if there is no intention to upgrade to a supported version? You are getting all worked up about a wrong thing: support is not the same as license. I can buy an Oracle license, without support. Annual support cost is typically 22% of the license cost. Your statement is valid for Oracle license, but not for support. License cost is usually negotiated based on capacity, although there are exceptions. Support cost is ALWAYS negotiated as a percentage of the licensing cost, no exceptions.
It is also possible to decrease the capacity use of Oracle and say that the company will no longer use Oracle on X CPU cores but will use it on Y CPU cores, where X > Y. That, as a matter of fact, happens quite frequently, with companies moving data warehouse type databases to SQL Server or SAP Hana. It usually causes a hostile license audit by Oracle Corp. but the frequency of those is dropping rapidly, as the competition increases. Those hostile audits did not make many friends to Oracle Corp. and the victims are quite likely to switch to another RDBMS. Somebody at Oracle Corp. has finally seen the light and they are no longer doing those audits with the same vigour and regularity, as the time of general availability of SQL Server 2016 on Linux is drawing nearer. And a little birdie told me that AWS support will be available right from the start. There is also a bad news on the application front:

Do you know that SAP also works on SQL Server? Quite frankly, I will buy you a meal in New York City, in the restaurant of your choice (up to $150 per person, to keep it within reason) if the prices of Oracle do not come down significantly in the next 2-3 years, with much more free stuff, like partitioning and advanced compression being included free of charge. You can remind me of this promise on 05/01/2020. Alternatively, I come to Denver at least once per year, the same offer applies.


On 04/26/2017 10:05 PM, Tim Gorman wrote:

Oracle doesn't charge for what is actually used; they charge for how much capacity is available.

...just the messenger here...

On 4/26/17 19:30, Mladen Gogala wrote:
On 04/26/2017 08:39 PM, Tim Gorman wrote:
Err, I don't think that is how support works...  :)

Hmmm, I doubt that they can charge you for support of an unsupported version. Charging for service that is not provided is allegedly illegal, so I've been told. And the statement that the version is unsupported means that Oracle Corp. will not provide support for it. Consequently, they cannot charge for support, for instance.

Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
Tel: (347) 321-1217


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