A few years ago, I had the pleasure of helping a vendor move their
Fortran-based ERP package for the building construction industry from
mainframe VSAM files to Oracle. It was easy, and it wasn't pretty, but
they needed the data in an RDBMS so that they could feed BI/DW environments.
The application itself still hums along on Fortran. Today. In 2019.
And the vendor itself is comfortably profitable in their niche in the
construction industry.
Before anyone thinks themselves superior, remember that we have all seen
highways and bridges rebuilt in a few months while in use, but none of
us have ever seen that happen in software, ever, anywhere. The project
managers, trained in construction and repurposed into IT, were awesome
and performed their jobs flawlessly, keeping the development and testing
teams progressing smoothly with full transparency and no hiccups.
It is no joke that if buildings and roads were built the way software is
developed, then the first gopher to come along would destroy civilization.
On 5/8/19 15:20, Michael D O'Shea/Woodward Informatics Ltd wrote:
All I can say is that I am gobsmacked. Having written that, I saw a green-field VB6 contract role advertised the other day. They're going to get who they deserve, that’s for sure.
Thanks for your replies all.
Mike
Am 08.05.2019 um 19:34 schrieb Jeff Chirco <backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:backseatdba@xxxxxxxxx>>:
Our ERP system is done in COBOL. It was a package purchased many years ago but we own the source code and have completely redone it over the years. It is a totally custom ERP system. The COBOL developers range from 20-39 years old, granted they were all hired from within and trained into that position. However we have begun to work on moving this ERP system into APEX.
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 7:42 AM Michael D O’Shea/Woodward Informatics Ltd <woodwardinformatics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:woodwardinformatics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I just have to ask, sorry - COBOL? Is there much COBOL there or
this is just one of the remaining remnant applications? And is
new COBOL development ongoing? And the developers, what age range?
I do a lot of contract work in banks and although I’ve heard
rumours there is COBOL in the wild, I have never met one of these
developers. Especially Pro*COBOL.
Decades back I used to develop in Cics and RM/COBOL. As I write,
that was decades back. I have not seen COBOL on the (UK) contract
job boards for years either.
Mike
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 08.05.2019 um 15:31 schrieb Scott Canaan <srcdco@xxxxxxx
<mailto:srcdco@xxxxxxx>>:
I was wondering the same thing. In 12.1.0.2, the Oracle Homes
are slightly different, though. I have to make sure that the
Pro*COBOL precompiler is there, as the application is written in
COBOL.
In looking at the inventory on the special Oracle Home that I
built in 2016 that includes the client, the comps.xml file is
different in that it includes the client install in addition to
the base install.
The problem is that I can’t just take a chance that it will work.
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Perhaps I am mistaken, but isn’t the client already a part of
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On May 8, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Scott Canaan <srcdco@xxxxxxx
<mailto:srcdco@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
We have an application that needs to have the Oracle client
installed in the same Oracle Home as the database software.
Somehow, I managed to do it with Oracle 12.1.0.2, but the
client installer for Oracle 12.2.0.1 won’t let me. It says
there’s already Oracle software in that home and won’t let
me move on.
How do I do this?
This is Oracle 12.2.0.1 on Red Hat 7 Linux.
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