RE: ASM IO distribution on a SAN

  • From: "Matthew Zito" <mzito@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <paul.baumgartel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:47:24 -0400

A lot of shops have been striping on top of Symmetrix for years, especially in 
Oracle environments, using either LVM or Veritas VM to deal with the annoying 
"lots of 6/8/9 gig disks" traditional symmetrix model.  Maybe more people are 
using metas these days, but the marketing point of ASM was to  reduce/remove 
the need for Veritas in Oracle environments, hence giving Oracle a larger chunk 
of the per-server revenue.

Basically, it's in Oracle's best interest to commodify the hardware down as 
much as possible, while reducing the third-party software you need, so that 
they can shift that money into software revenue for them.  Hence, why buy a 
Symmetrix when ASM can do your RAID for you?  Why buy Veritas when ASM will do 
the same thing?  Why buy Sun servers when you can get Dell Linux servers and 
use RAC for scale? Why buy SRDF when you've got Data Guard?  Why buy Quest when 
you've got AWR/ADDM?  Etc., etc.

Back on the technical discussion, the striping of ASM is mostly useless, as 
other posters have pointed out.  But, there is a certain amount of value from a 
volume expansion/management perspective, as not all filesystems/volume 
managers/storage arrays elegantly deal with growing and shrinking volumes, so 
it can be convenient to just throw another disk at the problem and let ASM deal 
with it.

Thanks,
Matt

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-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Baumgartel, Paul
Sent: Thu 9/13/2007 11:42 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: ASM IO distribution on a SAN
 
I agree.  What many people don't realize is that ASM was meant by Oracle to 
allow small- and medium-size shops, who didn't want to shell out the bucks for 
a storage system like Symmetrix, to realize the benefits of striping and 
mirroring.  Running ASM on top of RAID gives you stripes on stripes (or what 
some people call "plaiding"-ugh).
 
Having said all that, we run ASM on top of Symmetrix, as it's the standard tier 
one storage.  There are *some* benefits, such as automatic rebalancing, but to 
my mind it's gilding the lily.
 

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